Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

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    Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    Hi folks - sorry to have an inventory of questions in this post, but I find I learn so much more reading the posters here than I could anyway else, so...

    First off, I recently bought a Diplomat Quad winder, which I've kept both aforementioned watches in for the past 3 weeks on the fourth setting, i.e. alternately rotates for a number of mins (I think 5) in both directions for a few hours (I think 4), then rests 9 hours, then repeats. I just found my Breitling stopped, while the B&M was still running. Any thoughts why?

    Second, regarding the B&M, I've read a couple of posts that claim the indexes on this watch are molded into the dial, rather than applied. To my naked eye, this seems to be fact. Can anyone confirm this? I emailed B&M with this question 3 weeks ago, but no response so far.

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    It is my understanding that winders do not actually wind your wrist watch stated another way, they do not add to your existing power reserve. Winders maintain the current reserve level provided the minimum # of required turns for the given movement.
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    Re: Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    I think your watches may require different settings. I don't know the first thing about your quad but presumably each of the four winders can be programmed separately so try a different setting for the Breitling. Orbita has an extensive list of watches and required winder settings on their website so that may give some insight too.

    Applied and embossed indexes look very different so I suspect your guess is correct. A B&M dealer could confirm that for you if needed.

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    Re: Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    My Baume and Mercier Hampton annual calendar does look like it has embossed markers, instead of applied markers.

    Your Breitling might have a unidirectional rotor, or require more revolutions per days.


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    Re: Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    It is my understanding that winders do not actually wind your wrist watch stated another way, they do not add to your existing power reserve. Winders maintain the current reserve level provided the minimum # of required turns for the given movement.
    That is what I though too.....
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    Re: Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    Like John says, look on the Orbita database for your watch to see what sort of winding action it needs then set your hub accordingly.

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    Re: Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    In rare instances a winder could maintain exactly what ever power reserve was on the watch when placed on the winder. Usually it will over or undershoot that mark gradually. As we do when swinging the watch about on an arm but faster.

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    Re: Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    Thank you all for the comments. Very helpful indeed, and this one really drove home the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by John MS View Post
    In rare instances a winder could maintain exactly what ever power reserve was on the watch when placed on the winder. Usually it will over or undershoot that mark gradually. As we do when swinging the watch about on an arm but faster.
    This sparks a follow up, suppose in order to guard against the case of undershooting I choose a wind setting, which I know will overshoot to some degree, will I do any harm to my watches? Stated more simply, can I damage my watches by overwinding?

    Also, regarding the dial on my Baume & Mercier, someone who signed off as "Brand Ambassador" replied to my email today with the following: "The dial index of this watch are gilded red gold-plated; they are applied separately on the dial, not molded into the dial."

    Which leads me to wonder why they don't advertise this in their product descriptions.
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    Re: Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    Yes you can harm your watches if they are left on the winder for extended periods of time. Automatic watches allow the mainspring to slip within the barrel once it is fully wound. Not to mention wear from needlessly running the movement. Kinda like leaving your your car idling in the driveway for months on end.

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    Re: Couple questions regarding my Breitling Seawolf & Baume and Mercier Classima

    Quote Originally Posted by John MS View Post
    Yes you can harm your watches if they are left on the winder for extended periods of time. Automatic watches allow the mainspring to slip within the barrel once it is fully wound. Not to mention wear from needlessly running the movement. Kinda like leaving your your car idling in the driveway for months on end.
    An automatic watch is designed to run for 4-5 years, 24 hrs. a day, 365 days a year....Your car is not.
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