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    Enamel dial help needed

    I am keeping my eyes out to add a watch with enamel dial to my collection. Among the Swiss names, the price is in the stratosphere even for a simple grand feu white dial. I have come across some Chinese alternatives which, based on my research, uses the some of the same techniques described in the link below, but at a substantially lower cost. This is where I need some expert help, in case I am overlooking something obvious.
    Enamel Explained: The Art of Cloisonné, Grand Feu, Champlevé, Paillonné, Flinqué & Other Enamel Techniques | Perpétuelle

    For example, Beijing offers the following enamel dial watch using (as far as I can tell from its description) the proper champleve technique on a pure silver base plate. The price is slightly over $1,100 USD, which is orders of magnitude off from a Swiss equivalent. The description emphasizes that it's a 45-step process that takes 20 days to complete a single dial, and that less than 10% of dials make it to the finished product; colors are hand-applied, but the base plate is machine-carved. It's a limited edition of 299 pieces.

    What do the experts think ? Is this proper enamel ? Why so inexpensive, relatively ? What factors account for the vast price difference vs. a Swiss-made enamel watch ? How favorable do experts view the Chinese (or Beijing) enamel dials relative to Swiss ?

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    Re: Enamel dial help needed

    'swiss made' and the brand itself justified the premium.. 1.1K for a shanghai/seagull enamel watch is a fair price.. but many are willing to pay 20x...40x for a VC/PP enamel..

    as you aware, some Swiss brands are acquiring the enamel dial from China. You can't tell the difference for really high quality ones...
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/fashion...t_17508462.htm


    Traditionally use of enamel implies ever lasting (there are cracks, but can be repaired by experts).. u can still see some nice enamel dial from the 1900s from ebay....
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    Re: Enamel dial help needed

    Thanks for that - and the link - very informative.
    I suppose (1) the Swiss premium, and (2) the quality of the enamel ware itself, (3) quality of the movement plus assembly all add up to the price difference.
    Obviously $1,100 doesn't buy you a top-quality enamel dial. Unfortunately, not sure if my budget allows anything other than an entry-level, but at least decent, enamel.

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    Re: Enamel dial help needed

    You can get Mira "Swiss" watches with aventurine dials (a translucent mineral like glass containing small reflective particles, basically an enamel) for about $2000. Kind of funky watches though:


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