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    Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    The other day I was watching an old review video with Aerial Adams commentating and he mentioned the the Miyota 9015 was starting to be seen as a possibly superior movement to the ETA 2824 and it got me thinking.... what IS the flagship Japanese mechanical and how does it stack up against the European movements?

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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    Flagship? Perhaps one of the Seiko Grand Seiko 9SXX movements?
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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by balzebub View Post
    Flagship? Perhaps one of the Seiko Grand Seiko 9SXX movements?
    Agree, especially the Hi-Beats. I feel like that's internally Seiko's flagship line... And I don't think Citizen has produced anything recently to rival the 9S, not that I've seen at least.


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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    I remember seeing something about the hi-beat movements being spring drive which meant they were not true mechanicals? I might be mixing that all up.

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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zach97 View Post
    I remember seeing something about the hi-beat movements being spring drive which meant they were not true mechanicals? I might be mixing that all up.
    Seiko GS mechanical line is the 9Sxx series
    Seiko GS Quartz line is the 9Fxx series
    Seiko GS Spring Drive is the 9Rxx series
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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    The "9" series of movements is the top-tier of Asian movement making. Arguably the 9F has a direct peer in the Citizen A660 and A010, some people argue those are better even, but they're well matched, but the 9S certainly has no peer in Asia and few in the world, and the 9R simply has no peer period.

    But if we're talking strictly mechanical movements, the greatest movement Japan produces, and has ever produced, is the 9S85 Special.

    The closest European competition to the 9S85 is the Rolex 3135/6, the Omega 8500, the Jaeger 899 and perhaps the two 3-hander EP variants. These are all roughly around the same price and while not all chronometer rated, are extremely well regarded for accuracy and usually have some other special features (high frequency, long power reserves, extended service intervals, thinness, etc). They all have their strengths and weaknesses, although my favorite is the 9S85, followed by the 8500. The Damasko A35 and H35 are emerging competitors in this group as well, I think--time will tell if they belong in that prestigious category.
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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    I wonder if the OP meant "workhorse" instead of flagship, since he mentioned the 9015 and 2824 since neither are what one could call flagship in either country even among only production movements. Makes it an entirely different discussion.

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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    Flagship? This would go toe to toe with swiss of the same price point imo.

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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    The CITIZEN Automatic competing with GS is caliber 0910:

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    Re: Flagship Japanese Mechanical Movement?

    I want to ask a question, is there a flagship Swiss mechanical movement?
    Last time I checked, there were many Swiss companies who made work-horse movements.
    The same way there are at least 2 Japanese companies that make their own movements.

    And try as one may, all the work-horse movements will tell the time all day long.

    So how can any of us proclaim one to be the flagship?
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