I have a few questions for which I'd like your input.
- What is your vision for your watch collection? How do you go about deciding what's important to have in your collection as compared with what you may like, but don't need to acquire. How well have you defined your collecting and watch hobby's objectives?
- After reading the following information about me, what would you suggest as the first watch I add to my collection after the "Old Masters" that I'm currently acquiring. (I don't need or want your input on the "Old Masters" component of my collection.)
- My planned budget is $40K, but obviously at that price point, there's some degree of flexibility. I don't have any need to spend the whole $40K and price is not an absolute driver to my decision. I'm not going to "out of hand" simply ignore something that's $50K or so and absolutely outstanding in multiple dimensions.
- Based on the artistic style discussion below, you should use your judgment about style. Dress or sport are both plausible, but know that my most common casual dress is linen pants and collared, long sleeved linen shirt worn untucked with sandals or loafers or solid or patterned wool slacks, a beautiful patterned/textured sweater over a white t-shirt, with a suede sport jacket and loafers, no socks. Jeans might be swapped in with either look. I might wear just about any color.
- DO NOT suggest anything having an Oyster case, anything from Movado or it's market clones, or Omega. Doing so will be proof you can't read or don't read and that you just like posting things for the sake of posting.
- DO NOT suggest anything form Piaget. I am intimately aware of what they have to offer and a couple of their products are among the things that I have already identified as possibilities.
- DO NOT suggest the VC 1972. It is something I've already identified as a possibility.
- My overall watch taste is for thin to normal thickness watches. That's not an absolute, but I'd prefer not to see a ton of things that won't fit under my shirt sleeve.
- I am not afraid of color. I prefer fewer complications over more complications, but that's not a hard and fast rule. I like to be able to easily tell time with the watch. Mechanical is preferred, but not required. Manufacture is preferred, but not required. The most important thing is that the watch be refined, exquisitely executed, ergonomically sane and distinguished. Aside from the brands noted above, any brand is okay with me.
Here's a bit more about me and my collecting objectives and process. It's long, but it should give you a very good idea about me and what might be viable and what might not be so viable as suggested alternatives to the Piaget and VC I already have in mind. (If you want any additional insight on the level of scrutiny to which I put a watch before choosing it, you can read this: https://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/wher...ml#post6901171)
Were I to describe my own collecting, following an art analogy, I'm currently finishing up my acquisition of good, solid "Dutch Masters" (of course, my watches are Swiss, but I think you get the analogy). I'm not buying the best that genre has to offer because, like a small museum curator, I don't the money to spend on those things. I will next splash in some German analogues to the Swiss I've already bought. My plan is to next buy similarly conventional offerings from other countries just to have them as points of comparison with the Swiss.
After that, I'll be moving on to an entirely new style of piece, stuff more like the avant garde pieces of which you've seen me post pics, but also things that are something between the avant garde and the Old Masters. Right now, I'm thinking of this next phase as the horological equivalent of a single collection comprised of smatterings of Impressionist, Post-Impressionist, Futurist, Constructivist and De Stijl works as that's what catches my eye in paintings also.
I like Piaget right now; I think some of their stuff would fit nicely as an analogue to the Impressionists, but I see pieces from them that could also hit the mark for several other "periods," if you will. What I have some uncertainty about is whether to fully complete the assembly of the traditional motifs and "artists/periods" or whether to pursue the non-Swiss "Old Masters" at the same time that I'm also buying the items that reflect the move away from purely classic themes. I see benefits to both approaches, and as I've said before, I have time to figure it out. It's just something that I'll either decide directly or that will evolve organically. I'm okay with either approach, so it's hardly the worst uncertainty to have. (I'm not seeking your input on this uncertainty.)
Once all those pieces are in place and I'm old and gray, I'll start the final phase of my collection: the capstones. These will be pieces that by any measure represent the pinnacle of watchmaker's art. I haven't even begun to explore the verity of whether I can bring my vision to fruition, only having in my mind the general nature of what I want: (I don't need your input on these pieces; they are too far in the future for any input now to be relevant.)
- An antique or new piece that speaks to the beginning of great watch making. If new, I really want to get the Breguet Sympathique. If I go the antique route, something from the late 1800s to very early 1900s. I'd kind of like it to be the one pocket watch in my collection, but it doesn't have to be a pocket watch.
- A highly complicated and entirely handmade piece from one of the great maison d'horogerie, preferably PP, but it doesn't have to be. It will need to be a very limited production thing, at least as limited as budget will allow.
- Similar to #2, but made by an independent craftsman of our time. This doesn't need to be as complicated as #2, but as close as I can get and stay in budget.
- Same as 3, but as I'm an American, I want it made by an American watchmaker. If by the time I'm ready to do this, there isn't an American watchmaker, that's okay. I'll do without or buy what I can that's available and meeting as much of the criteria as possible.
When all is said and done, hopefully my collection will be a fair illustration (not a great one) of great watchmaking for "the regular guy" (as opposed to princes, CEOs, despots and celebrities) along with a few semi-seminal samples (LOL...what a silly term) of from whence the tradition came and into what it evolved, from an engineering standpoint as well as a design standpoint.
All the best and thank you all for your thoughtful and constructive input. Some samples of what kinds of things could work or not are below.
A reasonable suggestion for a sport watch:
This 52mm hulk of a watch is not a good suggestion
And this would be a welcomed suggestion, but it's just too big but the look is still distinctive and I can see refinement in it too.
I like the case detail, but overall the refinement on this watch is lost by the incongruous hands. Minimally, they should be silver. Not sure whose overlooked that detail, but they did.