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    How would You define the word "Rare"?

    When you look at listings for watches (both new and used) you see the term "rare" or "very rare" used a lot. But I think of rare as more associated with stamps and coins. A small mistake in printing a set of stamps, or gold coins found on a 17th century shipwreck are perhaps rare.

    Most watch manufacturers can't wait to turn out a run of Limited Edition watches with a production range of just a few to thousands. But does that make them Rare or just Limited Editions. In your opinion can something new be rare or does it need to be older to be considered rare?

    What watches do you think are defined as rare?
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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    Red, cool center.
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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    Or, perhaps it means I have one to sell, and want to give you the impression that it's in demand. The word, as mostly used in a sale offering, is strictly puffery.
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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    Certainly doesn;t need to be old, hard to argue the 8 orange platinum Planet Ocean watches aren't rare. I do also think rare is touchy feely since it is hard to put an exact number on it along with the fact it is hard to say exactly how many watches of a particular type still exist. When I see a LE of say 4,000 listed as rare and I know they sat in dealers for years unsold rare in that situation means little. When I see a mint (real) Comex Sea Dweller I "know" it is rare. Honestly the word rare in auctions or sale listings mean nothing to me, unless I am looking for it and I know it is rare then it isn't even relevant.
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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    IMO way too many LE's out there at the moment.

    Some can justifiably be called rare, but very few.

    I own a few LE's and very happy to have them, but I'm under no illusion that just because they are limited runs does not make them rare or 'hunted' for by fellow WIS'ers.

    I own one in particular that whilst had a very short run doesn't nesaccarily make it any more valuable.

    But it also contains a rare movement, and whilst I love the aesthetics of the watch I also appreciate the movement inside is one not often seen and that clinched the deal for me.

    Got to be very lucky or savvy these days to pick up a 'true' rarity.
    Hamilton LE Pan Europ Chrono Blue.
    Steinhart Le Mans Heritage Chrono.
    Seiko Sumo SPB029J.
    Seiko Sumo SBDC017.
    Doxa 750T LE.
    Doxa 300T.
    Seiko 6139.

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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    Anything that's not a Rolex Sub. The sales forums are loaded with them. And in the wild when someone has a mechanical its usually one.

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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ilitig8 View Post
    Certainly doesn;t need to be old, hard to argue the 8 orange platinum Planet Ocean watches aren't rare. I do also think rare is touchy feely since it is hard to put an exact number on it along with the fact it is hard to say exactly how many watches of a particular type still exist. When I see a LE of say 4,000 listed as rare and I know they sat in dealers for years unsold rare in that situation means little. When I see a mint (real) Comex Sea Dweller I "know" it is rare. Honestly the word rare in auctions or sale listings mean nothing to me, unless I am looking for it and I know it is rare then it isn't even relevant.
    Again, while some would call any of the Rolex COMEX's rare, others would not since I believe they were made for a period of 27 years. Also, some would say the Rolex "Red Sub" is rare, while others would not. Certainly both the COMEX and Red Sub come up for sale frequently, just a higher prices.
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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    Quote Originally Posted by dbakiva View Post
    Or, perhaps it means I have one to sell, and want to give you the impression that it's in demand.
    That's what it means on eBay. Same goes for "vintage", "classic", "holy grail", and other such superlatives. Meaningless, and reflects badly on the seller.
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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    There are plenty of rare watches to be found. There are far fewer that attract enough collector interest to drive up prices.
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    Re: How would You define the word "Rare"?

    I bought a Mido Ocean Star Commander Datoday that was marketed as somewhat rare since it actually had numbers at 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 & 12 instead of the normal stick or dot markers.

    It turned out to be somewhat true. I'm not sure about how Rare it is however.
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