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    I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    It is apparently 13.4mm thick which seems excessive, especially given the style and modest 37mm case size.
    So, any owners care to comment on how it wears?

    Alternatively, should I consider a used example of the previous model, the SBGR023? It is about 1mm thinner and I would also save some $. It looks identical but I would forfeit the display case-back and longer power reserve of the newer movement. I'm not aware of any other differences?

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    Re: I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    1mm is not that big of a deal. I'd go for the display back and power reserve, unless the price differential is a deal breaker.
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    Re: I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    I'd definitely take the 1mm hit and go with the current one. There's more to the 9S65 update than a power reserve increase, plus it's nice to see it.

    Alternatively, you could upgrade to the Hi-beat SBGH005:



    It's slightly thinner (0.3 mm) but the increase in diameter will make it appear substantially thinner. Plus it's got a 9S85 in it.
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    Re: I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    Quote Originally Posted by mpalmer View Post
    1mm is not that big of a deal. I'd go for the display back and power reserve, unless the price differential is a deal breaker.
    Certainly 1mm doesn't sound much, but I thought it might be quite noticeable in the context of case thickness.

    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenM View Post
    Alternatively, you could upgrade to the Hi-beat SBGH005:
    It's slightly thinner (0.3 mm) but the increase in diameter will make it appear substantially thinner. Plus it's got a 9S85 in it.
    The hi-beat is lovely, but the smaller 37mm case of the 053 is more preferable to me. Another option is the 36mm manual wind SBGW035. I love that watch and it's around 12mm thick, but I'm not convinced that I can do without a date function.

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    Re: I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    I don't have the thickness of old GSes memorized, but I'd also take a look into going vintage.

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    Re: I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    Because you mentioned size, I'd ask if you've given any thought to Citizen's The Citizen Automatic? The fit and finish race should be close and the more obvious pros and cons make things at least sort of interesting:

    Cons:

    Accuracy is -5 / +10
    Power Reserve is 42 hours
    0910 movement is a modified Premium Miyota movement vs. famous GS 9S. It's still an in-house movement so it might be worth seeing what experts think.

    Pros:

    Lighter: 121gm
    Thinness w/display case back: 10.9mm
    Price: Maybe $500 (USD) cheaper
    Duratect coating works like a charm
    Warranty: 10 years w/two free inspections
    WUS stealthiness rating would be off the charts!

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    GlennO, I don't have any hands on with that model, but fwiw, here's a few pics of my SBGR019, 39 mm and 13.2 mm thick. It's fine for me, don't know if it would be the same if the diameter was 37 mm. Good luck in your decision . . .
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    Re: I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    You know, if it'd be helpful, next week I'll head up to Timeless and take some photos of one with the same dimensions if there's one there. Pretty standard size though so chances are there'll be one. Would that be useful?

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    Re: I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    Quote Originally Posted by ljb187 View Post
    Because you mentioned size, I'd ask if you've given any thought to Citizen's The Citizen Automatic?
    TBH, although I've often considered The Citizen quartz, I've never really thought about the auto, but the 10mm thickness is excellent and the Duratect is a bonus. I know very little about them. I wonder if they have a double domed sapphire like the GS autos.

    Edit: After a bit of research I've answered my own question. For anyone who may need this info in the future, there are currently two lines of The Citizen automatics. The CTY57 models have a domed sapphire and are 11.3mm thick whilst the NA0000 models have a flat sapphire and are 10.9mm thick. I don't know why the flat sapphire models are 20,000 yen more expensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by drhr View Post
    GlennO, I don't have any hands on with that model, but fwiw, here's a few pics of my SBGR019, 39 mm and 13.2 mm thick. It's fine for me, don't know if it would be the same if the diameter was 37 mm. Good luck in your decision . . .
    Hafta say, that is a VERY cool looking model. The bracelet alone is amazing.

    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenM View Post
    You know, if it'd be helpful, next week I'll head up to Timeless and take some photos of one with the same dimensions if there's one there. Pretty standard size though so chances are there'll be one. Would that be useful?
    Thanks. I can find photos, but if you'd like to try one on and post your impressions I'd appreciate it. I have a small wrist and prefer 36mm-38mm cases and have found that the thicker cases can be prone to top heaviness.
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    Re: I want this Grand Seiko...but...

    This is a good question to ask! I have not heard members complaining much about the thickness of the Sbgr053 or 51 that I remember. But it would be great to get direct feedback. The older models do come up for sale though and are thinner.

    All this GS talk is killing me : ( along with the lowered yen !
    i have overspent my budget for the year but might purchase a GS ( Sbgr051 ; ) next year !
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