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    King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/26388740810...MakeTrack=true

    I know nothing about vintage watches but King Seiko (and to a lesser extent Lord Marvel) interests me a lot.
    Wanting to ask a noob question - do examples like the above listed King Seiko actually exist (and at this price)?
    The seller has 4000+ reviews with >99% positive but I get that's no guarantee.

    Thanks in advance!

    EDIT: More specifically, does it seem like this could be "all original" as advertised but simply "refurbished" thus the price?

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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    That particular seller is known to sell refurbished King Seikos. I have heard bad things about overpolished cases, repainted dials, and allegations of digitally edited glamour shots that do not represent the actual product.
    I recommend looking to buy KS from sellers in Japan, and look for sellers that specifically outline exactly what has been done to the watch in terms of servicing and polishing. Avoid any polishing if at all possible. KS are defined by having faceted geometry with very flat surfaces. Polishing can visibly soften the edges and distort the flat surfaces.

    Congrats on your fine taste and happy hunting!

    I own 2 vintage KS. Both purchased on eBay but neither from this seller.

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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    Many thanks for putting the time into such giving a newbie such a helpful response!
    Cheers!!

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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    The seller is quite reputable, and the watch looks good--it is not, however, necessarily going to be cheap--with 8 days left, the bids have just begun. Even though I live in Japan, I would have no problem buying this watch from this seller (if the price were right--but much too early to tell on that one), if I were interested in a KS.

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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    I don't know this watch but it has nice specs.

    It appears that there are some markers missing on the dial to the right of the date window FWIW.

    Good luck.
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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    That seller does have a reputation for refinished dials and over-polished cases, as mentioned previously. If you have no problem with that, then that's your decision. You have 8 days left, so ask for as many pictures and ask as many questions as you can to satisfy yourself.

    I myself have owned two King Seikos. Purchsed my first one through eBay from a dealer in Hong Kong that specialises in vintage Grand Seiko and King Seiko, and I paid about $350. Bought my second one, which was a steop-up in movement and rarity, also on eBay from a dealer in Japan, and I paid about $500. I mention it only because if you're interested in vintage King Seiko (and Grand Seiko) you can find some tremendous good deals with sellers based in Japan and Hong Kong.

    Now, I've been seriously tempted on more than one occassion with that seller you mentioned. I may even have placed a bid or two with them in my time. Afterall, the photos and prices mke the watches look extremely tempting. But ultimately, I fell back on the gut-feeling that if something is too good to be true, it likely isn't. And I've already been fooled once by an Argentinean Frankenwatch...
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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    The seller does not state that the dial has been refurbished. This watch case appears to be a "monocoque" design if that matters to the OP.

    The medallion has a weird patina to me and the serial number is not straight, if it matters.

    37 bids already!
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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    Thanks so much for all the insights!
    The seller did reply saying the case has been buffed (which I suppose is far too obvious to deny anyway) but stated everything else is original and claims the timing is within 3sec per day but might vary depending on positioning and temperatures.

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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glacier View Post
    Thanks so much for all the insights!
    The seller did reply saying the case has been buffed (which I suppose is far too obvious to deny anyway) but stated everything else is original and claims the timing is within 3sec per day but might vary depending on positioning and temperatures.
    Glacier, unless you're dying to get into a bidding war over this one, and willing to perhaps pay more than this watch is worth because of the implied condition, I would just follow it and see where it ends up. Plus, are you sure it's the right size for your wrist? You've already admitted to being new at the vintage game.

    If you do want to jump in at the end, ask yourself if you're willing to pay $600, $800, or over $1,000 for this piece?

    Truth be told, it is a nice looking Hi-Beat that has been "cleaned and inspected". I'm assuming that means "overhauled"?
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    Re: King Seiko NO DMG - too good to be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stark View Post
    .............. "cleaned and inspected". I'm assuming that means "overhauled"?
    Do not assume.

    In fact, based on the sellers choice of words, I day the watch has not been overhauled.
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