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    Potential Ebel buyers...good sale alert

    The Movado group is offering 75% off MSRP prices fo Ebel and Concord watches at the Movado Company Stores. That is a really excellent sale, one of the best I've seen this year. It will only last through Monday, though.

    At my local MCS, I saw three Tektons, a 1911 BTR Chronograph on a rubber strap (like mine), and a 1911 BTR Chronograph with the caliber 139 movement on alligator (also like mine). This is the first time I've seen BTR chronographs in a few months. If you've been eyeing one of these, and you live near a Movado Company Store (found in premium outlet malls), this is your chance. They stopped making these in 2011, so the opportunities are steadily diminishing.

    Ebel 1911 BTR Caliber 137:


    Ebel 1911 BTR Caliber 139:


    Both of these use the Ebel Caliber 137, which was an Ebel-owned movement design that they assembled from parts made for them first by Lemania, and later by Dubois-Depraz. They developed it with Nouvelle Lemania (before they were owned by Swatch) and this is a modified version of the Lemania 1340 that was used for several other watches at the high end, including the Breguet XX and a Ulysse Nardin. UN bought the movement and it is now their caliber 150.

    It's a chance to own a high-grade chronograph with interesting and unique styling, built into a first-class watch, for well under two kilobucks.

    I also saw several other models plus a range of ladies models. One such was a Brasilia chronograph, which uses an Ebel caliber 124 (an ETA 2894, top grade). It's a classic tank, but ultra-modern in interpretation, especially as a chronograph. I own two three-hand Brasilias, which measure up to the Cartiers that inspired them. In some ways they exceed them. See this excellent review of the Brasilia chronograph here, from which I linked this image. These are less expensive than the BTR models above.



    I didn't see any more standard 1911 models, but other stores probably have them. Also, E-type chronographs (like the one below) have styling of a different sort, but also the excellent Caliber 137 chronograph movement. These will be the cheapest of all, maybe less than a kilobuck with this sale.



    And maybe you'll see a Classic Hexagon that will be under two kilobucks:


    All of these have proprietary straps, but I had occasion to price a reptilian replacement for the smooth leather strap on my Classic Hexagon above, and the genuine crocodile strap from Ebel is $253. Not cheap, but actually quite reasonable compared to the cost of similar (superb) quality straps from other watch companies. The rubber straps shown above are about half that. Ebel's parent company is stable and profitable (and enduring), so concerns about long-term service viability can be pretty minimal. Their service prices are similar to their strap prices--not the cheapest but lots cheaper than other Swiss companies at their retail price points. The Movado Company Stores sell these with full three-year manufacturer warranty.

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    Ebel: 1911 BTR 9137L73* and 9139L71*, 1911 1120L41*, 1911 Senior 9080241, Brasilias 9120M41 (2), Aquatica 500 9120K61, Classic Hexagon GMT 9301F61, Classic 100 LE 9120R41; Baume & Mercier: Capeland World-Timer
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    Vintage: JLC: ref. 2953, ca. 1946; Longines: Flagship cal 285; Zodiac: SST cal. 86, Aerospace GMT cal. 72; Favre-Leuba: cal. 253; Tianjin: Dong Feng cal. ST5; Elgin: Gr. 152 (1898), Gr. 384 (1919); Ebel: ca. 1962 ref. 9214955
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    The Leesburg store called me today to let me know they have a Sportwave Aquatica for a ridiculous price. It really is too good to pass on but I may have to pass. A lot going on right now and I must be strong.... Help me Rick!
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    Re: Potential Ebel buyers...good sale alert

    Thanks for posting, checking it out now.
    Do something exceptionally mediocre today

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    Thanks. I may have to head up to San Marcos this weekend :p

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    They all look very nice!

    By the way, do you know which one uses the Zenith movement?
    I think one of the 1911 uses it, but maybe not these two.

    And the Ebel 1911 BTR Caliber 139 certainly look very good.

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    Re: Potential Ebel buyers...good sale alert

    Hmm... I may actually have time to head to Leesburg this weekend and play a game of "see if I can keep my wallet from getting lighter".
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    Re: Potential Ebel buyers...good sale alert

    Quote Originally Posted by SOG View Post
    By the way, do you know which one uses the Zenith movement?
    I think one of the 1911 uses it, but maybe not these two.
    Not for a long time. I think Ebel used the El Primero from (roughly) the mid 80's to late 90's when the Cal 137 (initially known as the Le Modulor) replaced it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bacari View Post
    The Leesburg store called me today to let me know they have a Sportwave Aquatica for a ridiculous price. It really is too good to pass on but I may have to pass. A lot going on right now and I must be strong.... Help me Rick!
    They have a Sportwave Aquatica? Not in the display case--they must be holding it for you for the moment.

    Is it the 300m or the 500m limited edition? If the former, it could end up being three figures. You'll get no help from me to resist that temptation.

    Rick "just buy it" Denney
    Zenith: Captain Chronograph 03.2110.400*; Cartier: Santos 100 XL Concord: Mariner, C1 Big-Date, C1 v.2 Chronograph; Ebel: Chronosport 1134901, Tekton 9137L83*, Type E 9137C41* (*=COSC)
    Ebel: 1911 BTR 9137L73* and 9139L71*, 1911 1120L41*, 1911 Senior 9080241, Brasilias 9120M41 (2), Aquatica 500 9120K61, Classic Hexagon GMT 9301F61, Classic 100 LE 9120R41; Baume & Mercier: Capeland World-Timer
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOG View Post
    They all look very nice!

    By the way, do you know which one uses the Zenith movement?
    I think one of the 1911 uses it, but maybe not these two.

    And the Ebel 1911 BTR Caliber 139 certainly look very good.
    Ebel used the El Primero in the Sport Classic Chronograph (aka, the Chronosport, or the Sport Classique Chronograph). They used them from 1982 (or so they claim) until they rolled out the caliber 137 in 1995, though they may have had stock they used up for several more years.

    Look for "134" in digits 2-4 of the reference number. The first digit is case material, and the last three digits are the case style. I think all the EP-equipped chronographs used case style 241. So, a steel Chronosport would be 9134241, a gold-and-steel model (like mine) is 1124241, and an all-gold version is 8134241. Ebel had designated the EP as caliber 134, and they had also added a full-calendar version in 1984 which they called the caliber 136.

    The first EP's used in Ebels were old Zenith stock, and were marked with Zenith's caliber 3019PHC (or PHF for the Ebel 136). Zenith didn't retool to start production again until after this occurrred, and the first new movements rolled out with a transitional caliber number "40.0"--those were only produced in 1986. After that, they were marked "400" as they are today. Mine has a 1911 bracelet and a Zenith 40.0, pretty much nailing it down to 1986.

    I have seen Ebel Senior models going back into the 90's at the Movado stores, including a caliber 137 Le Modulor, but never anything with an El Primero.

    But there are other interesting movements you might see. Here's a caliber list that might be found on occasion in the Movado stores (I've noted the ones I've never seen in the store, but the Lemania 8810 and GP-powered watches were from a decade ago and only pop up rarely):

    080: Lemania 8810, formerly the Longines L990, the thinnest full-rotor automatic movement ever made with central seconds and calendar, used in 1911 Senior models.
    120: ETA 2892A2 (found in most three-hand watches)
    124: ETA 2894 modular chronograph (Brasilia and recent Movado Datron)
    123: ETA 2893 (for the Discovery Worldtime) (I've never seen one in the stores)
    126: ETA 2892 with big date (older Senior models)
    137: Ebel chronograph movement (Lemania 1340 base, but owned by Ebel until 2012), in Le Modulor, E-type, BTR, and the three-subdial Tekton chronographs.
    139: Ebel 137 with central chronograph minutes hand, seen in Tektons (with a 45-minute dial for chronograph minutes) and BTR's (with a 30-minute dial)
    240: Ebel 137 base with GMT for the BTR GMT. Uses the pushers for quickset of the GMT hand.
    288: Ebel 137 with perpetual calendar (I've never seen one in a store)
    301: ETA 2892A2 with TechnoTime tt650 dual-time and big-date module (in the large Classic Hexagon)
    303: ETA 2892A2 with TechnoTime retrograde date display and reserve de marche (in the not-so-large Classic Hexagon)
    330: Girard-Perregaux 3301 (seen in a few Senior models but more probably in E-Type three-hand watches)
    750: Valjoux 7750 (for the Ebel 1911 Discovery chronograph, of which I've only seen one in the stores)

    These are not the catalog numbers, and the sales people at the stores don't know the watches by these numbers. You have to look for yourself. The numbers are engraved on the back, starting with an Ebel "E".

    Oh, and if a bracelet is too short, Ebel will send you two extra links at no charge, but you have to do the calling. Movado just sent me an extra-long strap for my new Museum watch, free for the asking though I had to provide them with the details of my purchase for them to confirm. MGI has always provided very good service to me.

    Rick "fun with numbers" Denney
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    Zenith: Captain Chronograph 03.2110.400*; Cartier: Santos 100 XL Concord: Mariner, C1 Big-Date, C1 v.2 Chronograph; Ebel: Chronosport 1134901, Tekton 9137L83*, Type E 9137C41* (*=COSC)
    Ebel: 1911 BTR 9137L73* and 9139L71*, 1911 1120L41*, 1911 Senior 9080241, Brasilias 9120M41 (2), Aquatica 500 9120K61, Classic Hexagon GMT 9301F61, Classic 100 LE 9120R41; Baume & Mercier: Capeland World-Timer
    Heuer: Carrera 1964 Re-Edition CS3110; Maurice Lacroix: Masterpiece MP6439; "Seagull": 1963 Reissue cal. ST19; Seiko: Black Monster SRP307; Poljot: Sturmanskie cal. 3133; Tissot: T-Touch Lew and Huey: Acciona
    Vintage: JLC: ref. 2953, ca. 1946; Longines: Flagship cal 285; Zodiac: SST cal. 86, Aerospace GMT cal. 72; Favre-Leuba: cal. 253; Tianjin: Dong Feng cal. ST5; Elgin: Gr. 152 (1898), Gr. 384 (1919); Ebel: ca. 1962 ref. 9214955
    WUS: ST5 Project Watches (Black and Blue), F72.2014.DG3804 (Gray and Cream); Swatch: Sistem 51 Blue; TNT: Rattrapante cal. Rochat 7750+RAT-1

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    You, sir, are an enebeler of the first order. Bravo
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