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    Question Starting a dispute?

    Hello, I'm looking for advice. I recently got scamed on ebay for more info read https://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=56661
    The seller has not yet responded to my ebay messages. I know how to start a dispute but do I report to eBay, Paypal, & the credit card company at the same time?
    Thanks for any & all advice
    Chris

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    Re: Starting a dispute?

    If you paid w/ PayPal, go straight to them first.
    They work hand in hand w/ both eBay and your credit card company.
    Once you get the ball rolling things should go your way because of the
    obvious mistake in what you were sent.

    They usually encourage you to work w/ the seller first before pressing
    the matter. It can be a lengthy process so be patient.

    Good luck,
    J.

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    Starting a dispute ?

    Y E S !

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    Ok this just got interesting

    OK this just got interesting. The seller responded by asking me to ship this watch to a 3rd party & then I would be fully reimbursed. I agreed to ship only after a refund. The seller refunded my account & states that he will reimburse shipping after I provide tracking numbers. All this would be fine & I would ship if it wasn't a fake watch. I contacted eBay to find out what I should do. I think the 3rd party is an auction winner of the same item but he has a Chinese name so perhaps I'm mistaken. I took the name & address the seller sent me & got a phone number. I also sent a message to the eBay member that I think won the subsequent auction.

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    Re: Ok this just got interesting

    Hi, Instead of sending the watch to a 3rd party I'm going to be sending it back to china.

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    Re: Starting a dispute?

    Good idea!

    - declare the full value you paid, then this guy will have to pay the equivalent of USD 97 on Chinese import duties and taxes (just checked with the FedEx global trade tools...).

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    Re: Starting a dispute?

    Quote Originally Posted by cnmark View Post
    Good idea!

    - declare the full value you paid, then this guy will have to pay the equivalent of USD 97 on Chinese import duties and taxes (just checked with the FedEx global trade tools...).
    To bad everyone isn't as honest as you I'm tempted to keep it. I rationalize it by telling myself that I don't want anyone else to get ripped off but really it's because the skeletonized movement is awesome

    If for some strange reason eBay tells me to keep this watch I'll file down the case back & paint the dial

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    Re: Starting a dispute?

    I am an admitted newbie, or as I like to say a "WIS in training",
    but the way I see it, this could just be a mix-up on the part of
    the seller.

    Is it out of reason to assume that ALL of these Chinese watches
    are mass produced in the same factory?

    Couldn't a factory worker, dog tired from slaving 16 hours, have
    just put the wrong watch in the box?

    I would bet that the only difference between the watch you thought
    you were buying and the watch you actually received are the crown,
    dial and back.

    You are clearly in the right and your money is not in jeopardy, so give
    the seller a chance to make things right. If there was an intentional
    intent to rip you off I would doubt seriously that this seller would have
    amassed 300+ positive feedback on eBay.


    Peace,
    J.
    Last edited by J.Wayne; April 3rd, 2007 at 14:09.

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    Re: Starting a dispute?

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Wayne View Post
    I am an admitted newbie, or as I like to say a "WIS in training",
    but the way I see it, this could just be a mix-up on the part of
    the seller.
    J.

    I believe it was an intentional rip off. First of all I asked for the correct watch & the seller told me he could get it for $600, Secondly the seller never stated it was a mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Wayne View Post
    Is it out of reason to assume that ALL of these Chinese watches
    are mass produced in the same factory?

    Couldn't a factory worker, dog tired from slaving 16 hours, have
    just put the wrong watch in the box?

    J.
    IMHO Sea-gull does not put the Patek Phillipe name on their watches nor does Patek Phillipe source movements from Sea-Gull. Unfortunately Sea-Gull does provide blanks that make it easy for fakers.

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Wayne View Post
    I would bet that the only difference between the watch you thought
    you were buying and the watch you actually received are the crown,
    dial and back.
    J.
    The case is slightly different especially the lugs also the band is inferior compared with my other Sea-Gull & is marked P.P.

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Wayne View Post
    You are clearly in the right and your money is not in jeopardy, so give
    the seller a chance to make things right. If there was an intentional
    intent to rip you off I would doubt seriously that this seller would have
    amassed 300+ positive feedback on eBay.

    Peace,
    J.
    The sellers feedback is all for vacuum tubes he is new to watches. IMHO I think his percentages are about to drop.

    I received a pm yesterday from someone else who is expecting this watch.
    I asked him to let us know whether or not it's authentic when it arrives.
    I also told him to think positively because perhaps his would be genuine,
    But I personally doubt it. I believe the half dozen he has already sold & the ones he is currently selling are all fakes. Perhaps his less expensive Sea-Gulls are genuine

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    Re: Starting a dispute?

    May I add something to particleman's reply:
    That seller's sales pictures are all product pictures "borrowed" from the Mainland Chinese internet site of Seagull, downloaded and just resized for the use on the 'bay. The seller does not show any pictures of the actual watches he sells.

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