who makes automatics cases' and the movements' in house?

[aksnc30]

am sorry if this has been asked before in 1 format or another
a search via the net didnt turn up many watch makers who make both their own watch case and automatic movements themselves (rather than installing or adjusting someones elses piece - i'm not talking about who makes the rubies and such ...)

the only one i am sure about is seiko but a few others such seemed to crop up often;
rolex (movement but not sure of case)
omega (movement but not sure of case)
nomos (movement but not sure of case)

just to make a short list for my own use and any help or knowledge would be appreciated.

thanks in advance
aks

PS - edited to make sense :)
PPS - Hope you all had a very happy new year too !

[Redemption]

Does the new B01 from Breitling count? Also, Tag is making their own movements I beleive and Panerai have their own too.

[Atomant]

Does the new B01 from Breitling count? Also, Tag is making their own movements I beleive and Panerai have their own too.

Seems like everyone is making their own movement these days. So these are IMHO 'new in-house mvt' aka contemporary in-house mvt. What about in-house mvt with heritage like Rolex, JLC, Patek?

[EHV]

A shroud of mystery. I wonder if we will ever have definitive evidence of everything we want to know.
Seiko, Seagull, perhaps some Russian brands, ?Orient,?Rolex. Patek Phillipe? AP, VC Lange and Sohne ??? maybe?,likely???. Just because Breitling has an in house movement, does that mean they make their own cases too? Maybe.
Damasko make their cases and now they have an in house movement but not all of the movements they use are in house.

And even if the case and movement are in house, what about the dials, the hands, the crystals, etc. A global economy= a global watch in many,(?most) cases.
You can drive yourself crazy trying to figure these things out and ultimately, I say if you like a watch, go for the watch not just the movement and/or not because of where it's supposedly made.

Search, "Swiss made", "German made" etc. and you are in for a surprise if you think these things = 100% made in the country stated.

[Janne]

A couple of years ago, I read that there is a case manufacturer in France that supply some of the Swiss watch manufacturers. In the article, it did not say whic these SWiss manufacturers were.

[snowfox]

A couple of years ago, I read that there is a case manufacturer in France that supply some of the Swiss watch manufacturers. In the article, it did not say whic these SWiss manufacturers were.

Do Milus make their own? They sure look like it - nothing else looks like a Milus nor moves like a Milus!

Home | www.milus.com

[v76]

Quite a few ... the ones who have some actual history behind them include JLC, Zenith, Seiko, etc.

[Ray916MN]

I'm pretty sure Omega doesn't make their own movements.

Current Omega have either ETA or Frederic Piguet based movements in them. While the co-axial escapement is unique to Omega, that doesn't mean that the movements aren't entirely made by ETA and FP for them. The Swatch group has a third movement maker, Lemania, which is held within Breguet (yet another Swatch watch company). Frederic Piguet is held under Blancpain at present. Both Blancpain and Breguet use Favre et Perret (another Swatch company) to make their cases. If Favre et Perret is making cases good enough for Blancpain and Breguet what distinction would it be for Omega to be making their own cases instead of using Favre et Perret?

If you look at Swatch's watch production assets, I would suspect that there is intracompany sourcing for virtually all components and assemblies in watches from all Swatch Group companies and in some sense all Swatch company watch products are probably essentially in-house. Swatch owns mainspring, dial, case and hand manufacturing specialist companies. The fact that they are held in what Swatch identifies as separate companies for branding, management, financial accounting and other business reasons probably isn't an inherently important distinction, just as the fact that Credor exists as a separate brand and maker within Seiko isn't necessarily an important distinction.

So the net point is, I'd expect watches from all Swatch Group watch companies to be as "in-house" as those from any other company.

[TK-421]

i would consider the Omega with co-axial as in-house. SWATCH owns ETA and Omega and only the co-axial goes to Omega. just like Zenith and JLC provide movements to sisters. ETA is SWATCH's inhouse maker and provides movements to many, many cousins.

does Nomos make their own cases? i would think that A. Lange might be case and movement.

I'm pretty sure Omega doesn't make their own movements.

Current Omega have either ETA or Frederic Piguet based movements in them. While the co-axial escapement is unique to Omega, that doesn't mean that the movements aren't entirely made by ETA and FP for them. The Swatch group has a third movement maker, Lemania, which is held within Breguet (yet another Swatch watch company). Frederic Piguet is held under Blancpain at present. Both Blancpain and Breguet use Favre et Perret (another Swatch company) to make their cases. If Favre et Perret is making cases good enough for Blancpain and Breguet what distinction would it be for Omega to be making their own cases instead of using Favre et Perret?

If you look at Swatch's watch production assets, I would suspect that there is intracompany sourcing for virtually all components and assemblies in watches from all Swatch Group companies and in some sense all Swatch company watch products are probably essentially in-house. Swatch owns mainspring, dial, case and hand manufacturing specialist companies. The fact that they are held in what Swatch identifies as separate companies for branding, management, financial accounting and other business reasons probably isn't an inherently important distinction, just as the fact that Credor exists as a separate brand and maker within Seiko isn't necessarily an important distinction.

So the net point is, I'd expect watches from all Swatch Group watch companies to be as "in-house" as those from any other company.

[stuffler,mike]

Damasko for sure, at least as the A 35 is concerned.