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    Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    Is the watch that is highest on your wish list a watch that is currently not being made, but may be produced at some stage in the future? What kind of watch do you have in mind?

    The watch I currently want is a manual wind Grand Seiko Hi Beat, something thinner and lighter than the current version.

    Isn't manual wind a liability? Not to me, it has advantages over automatic that are well worth having.

    1. You have a pleasing interaction with your watch when you wind it.
    2. The watch is simpler. Is that worth anything? I suggest you ask Mr. Phillipe Dufour.
    3. The watch is lighter.
    4. The watch is thinner.
    5. There is no doubt about the power reserve available. If you wind it up in the morning it has plenty of juice till the next morning.

    Will this watch ever be made? I have high hopes:

    "PPro: Lastly, but not the least, where is the GS headed to?

    AO (and Mr. Tshuchiya - Pruduct Planning): As you may have heard many times, GS's product concept is the ultimate "practical" watch. For that purpose, if it makes sense, it MAY choose Tourbillon if it is the way to make GS more accurate. If the Perpetual Calendar makes more sense from the practicality, we MAY choose it. But first and foremost, the accuracy is the heart of GS. We also understand that there are lots of voices from fans to make hand winding Hi-Beat, but as of today, I can't say for certain whether we will make one someday. "


    http://www.watchprosite.com/show-for...l-grand-seiko/

    You may enjoy reading that article in it's entirety, it is very interesting.
    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    Yes, I have a list of complications for my inexistent grail:
    Remontoir, frictionless escapement, micro-rotor, center seconds, large date, power reserve, detent minute setting (this is really unusual), etc.

    The closest to what I would like is the FP Journe but no center seconds or micro-rotor. Anyway, I cannot afford it.
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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    +1 for more manual wind watches.
    Less cost to make and likely to be more shockproof too.

    [Edit.1] - And another thing to add (subtract?) is more dateless dials for symmetry. And somebody please hide those horrid power reserve indicators away so they can be seen through the caseback only.

    [Edit.2] Apart from that, a thinner, lighter MM300 in diashield titanium would be a very tasty mini-grail. Complete with sapphire and the 8L35 movement regulated to COSC (the Seiko equivalent), regular screw in caseback and a mildly redesigned bezel able to take replacement inserts. It needs to stay automatic to eliminate the need to unscrew the crown every day to wind.
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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    A modern panda dialed (Paul Newman) stainless steel Daytona. While they're at it, they should enlarge the case by a few mm's and change the sub-dial layout back to a true 3-6-9 configuration.

    I can dream, cant I?

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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    I would like a watch with a 1/2 plate gilded movement with a co-axial or detent escapement and free sprung balance, with an enamel or silvered dial with a power reserve meter, the case would be 38mm and made out of hardened stainless steel, I'm undecided as to small vs centre seconds, however I would also like the price to be very low..

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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    Ha! I think about this alot. My not(yet) existing grail would be a Tudor Black Bay with a date and a ceramic bezel. Date might happen, ceramic probably won't. Perhaps some day.

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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    It might look something like this:
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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    OP, maybe you haven't come across it.... there's 25000 models of watches last time i checked... granted maybe 20000 of those are submariner copies but still

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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    We need more GS without that horrible date window.
    Or at least could they do an effort so the datewheel texture sortof matches the dial. Or at least the same pantone and not a completely other colour of white/silver that makes it the ugliest wart on a watch face?

    handwinding is another necessity indeed.

    Also while we are at Seiko, the idea of a lighter MM300 or a smaller Sumo would be amazing.
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    Re: Is your grail a watch that does not currently exist?

    Mine would be a Rolex Subc date without the Cyclops as stock, sapphire crystal which is flush with the bezel & AR coated on the inside, make the ceramic bezel thinner and remove the maxi case back to the old version, remove some of the text off the dail & make it 1 or 2 mm bigger.

    while i'm aware this configuration can be had in some homage watches there's only one submariner for me & its doesn't exist.

    Edit - The Grand Seiko Spring Drive Diver (SBGA031) is almost perfection.
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