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    2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

    Quote Originally Posted by aalin13 View Post
    Haha, the Nexus 6P is my watching YouTube in bed phone. I've looked at them again with my current daily phone (Pixel 3), and my desktop, neither are colour calibrated, but I still don't see it.

    Here are I think two of the better photos on the Omega forum due to lighting:

    https://omegaforums.net/attachments/...80-jpg.910001/

    https://omegaforums.net/attachments/ha-jpg.909998/

    Compare that to the new one:

    https://www.omegawatches.com/watch-o...31130403001001

    The old ones look more off white with mainly a green colour, may be a very slight pastel yellow tint to it.

    The new ones are more like orange/mustard yellow and looks more like aged lume to my eyes.
    The entire pictures have a tint to them most likely from analogue media over time. Its also clear to see that the dial colors are quite off, and the white hands are not white like they should be, but tinted (thus everything is tinted)...like 95% of the eBay pictures of my eBay scores (but here I should probably shut up to keep the competition down ;) ).

    Also, don’t let the color of the background material in the first pic fool you. I realize it’s not easy for most folk to ‘see’ all this.

    Regardless of all that mumbo jumbo, a thought experiment: how many Ed Whites (or 105.012/145.012s) have green lume today?

    I have not seen one. It is highly unlikely that lume would start green and turn yellow/mustard, or vice versa, or any other color for that matter. Makes more sense that the base color remains in pristine unpatinated watches, and goes darker as it patinates or absorbs moisture (black spots?). Occam’s razor and all that. My milage clearly varies.

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    Re: 2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSnowRabbit View Post
    The entire pictures have a tint to them most likely from analogue media over time. Its also clear to see that the dial colors are quite off, and the white hands are not white like they should be, but tinted (thus everything is tinted)...like 95% of the eBay pictures of my eBay scores (but here I should probably shut up to keep the competition down ;) ).

    Also, don’t let the color of the background material in the first pic fool you. I realize it’s not easy for most folk to ‘see’ all this.

    Regardless of all that mumbo jumbo, a thought experiment: how many Ed Whites (or 105.012/145.012s) have green lume today?

    I have not seen one. It is highly unlikely that lume would start green and turn yellow/mustard, or vice versa, or any other color for that matter. Makes more sense that the base color remains in pristine unpatinated watches, and goes darker as it patinates or absorbs moisture (black spots?). Occam’s razor and all that. My milage clearly varies.

    Cheers.
    Well, I guess unless someone that have actually seen the original when they left the factory in 1960s can chime in, it's hard for us to assess it based in the available photos.

    Anyway, it's a colour choice, and some like it, some don't. I'm in the latter camp, but I think lume colour aside, this is an amazing watch, and I would choose one over other options at a similar price point.

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    Re: 2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

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    Re: 2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

    Quote Originally Posted by aalin13 View Post
    Haha, the Nexus 6P is my watching YouTube in bed phone. I've looked at them again with my current daily phone (Pixel 3), and my desktop, neither are colour calibrated, but I still don't see it.
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    https://omegaforums.net/attachments/ha-jpg.909998/
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    This photo has been posted here earlier and now again, yet no comments - makes me think am I only one seeing whats really wrong (big time) with the picture? Hint : its not related to lume.

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    Re: 2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelller View Post
    ...As for the choice of SuperLuminova color; either you like the "aged patina" look or you don't. I don't ... but I'll live The suggestion that (new) Tritium paint /lume was never really white is plausible. However, based on my own recollection and the photos being circulated, if anything, the tritium paint had a green tinge to it. That green shade was most likely due to the fact that it was constantly emitting (green) light - regardless if seen in a lit room or in the darkness. A product photo-shoot usually takes place in a studio and despite the strong lighting, it's not sunlight and so there's a possibility that the tritium's (green) "illumination" will be (slightly) visible...

    ...They are portraying patina* and not "fresh" tritium paint. Same as almost every other brand has been doing since what, 2013? Some are really over the damn top with "tropical" dials and burnt markers (al la radium), while others are much more demure, like our 321 Ed White...
    Ok, so this is what the Moonwatch-Only lads have to say ...



    So, that's that, then...
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    Re: 2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

    Quote Originally Posted by imranbecks View Post
    I'm probably one of the few that don't understand the hype over this model or the caliber 321. Please enlighten me...
    In terms of accuracy / reliability, I believe it's on par with the 861. Aside from the possible column-wheel break... . Nope, the new 321 movement is a pure emotional investment, no more, no less.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMaggi View Post
    ...Omega is really taking a chance with this. I can easily see it not selling out. That's alot of money for a 2.5Hz (18,000 bpm) movement. Maybe they should've retailed it for $8k. Are there really that many Speedmaster aficionados that lust after a 321 caliber?
    Well, I think there are a lot of new Speedmaster fans that came onto the scene after prices for vintage pieces skyrocketed. Then there are those like me that are uncomfortable with vintage in terms of the inherent risks (fakes / frankenwatches / overpaying / etc). Nevertheless, we love & want a piece of history and we're ready to pay for the opportunity to experience it, even if it's in the forum of a tribute / re-creation and not the "real deal"... .

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelMaggi View Post
    Actually I would like to see a Speedmaster Pro with a 3861 movement as well.
    what do you mean by a Speedmaster Pro? Last year's XI 50th was a SMP... . My bet is that 2020's XIII 50th will almost certainly be a SMP and almost certainly with the 3861. I see the 1861 being phased out; if not abruptly, then gradually, but I would imagine all LEs will for sure be the first place Omega uses the 3861.

    Quote Originally Posted by benny View Post
    Since it is a machine produced / finished movement / watch, the hand work is equivalent to assembling a completely torn down 321 post service. How long does that take? I so wish my business could charge 10x (or more) cost for our products .
    Al Archer, an Omega-service certified watchmaker over at Omega Forums said it takes ~7hrs to take apart and rebuild a "used" 321 movement; this means a movement where parts may need to be replaced or at least re-fitted for proper operation. He said putting together a 321 with brand new parts is much easier and suggests that the "one watchmaker" assigned to assembling the 321 Ed white could not only manage it in less time, but most likely could average two per day... (!)

    Quote Originally Posted by treiz1337 View Post
    So when is horizontal clutch a feature? Last time I checked horizontal clutch were inferior design for a chronograph (compared to vertical clutch). In addition to one "watch maker", that's are all marketing BS. Grand Seiko implements a one watch maker for their watch too (with better finishing) but I don't see any one bragging about that. Nor do I see them asking 14k usd price tag. ...The Speedmaster caliber .321 only known by a very niche group of Enthusiast within the speedmaster fan club. 2000 Ed White a year is a lot. Majority of Speedy owners and followers don't even care about the caliber .321. ...
    I agree with the above points but would point out that Omega never stated that the 321 was technically superior to any other movement they have used for the Speedmaster. If we make that assumption then it's our fault, not theirs. I really do believe Omega made this specifically for us (Speedmaster enthusiasts).

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimFandango View Post
    ... The reason why I wouldn't consider it (other than the fact that it is out of my budget) is because the twisted lugs and crown guard are part of the Speedmaster look I enjoy. Without them it becomes a little bit more like other chronographs for me.
    I can't unread this... *sigh* I have to agree that the twisted lugs are pretty awesome. But ok, the 321EW won't be the first "throwback" reference I buy. My recent Seiko-diver tributes all look a bit more drab than their contemporaries, but ...in many ways that's the attraction of these tributes - they hark back to days of sparse design principles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasio View Post
    I'm never going to buy one, but I beg to differ. IMO opinion Omega has done a bit more, than just popped a different movement in their regular model:
    - revived the production of a legendary movement long time discontinued
    - recreated 105.003 step dial with applied logo
    - made a sapphire DON-bezel
    - used a vintage style case (already in FOIS, I give you that)
    - used a vintage style bracelet

    I think it's kind of cool they created this old Ed White in steel, with all the details that Speedy freaks get nostalgic about. This model is definitely not designed with average luxury consumer in mind...
    Agree Just note that the case is not the same as the FOIS - according to Robert-Jan (Fratello Watches) the case is unique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sublovin View Post
    Great watch, but crazy price! Knowing Omega, they will leverage this thing as far as possible. The movement will be used in many many watches, and there will be 4,628 different limited edition versions which will be coming out in the near future. I shall sit in the sidelines and watch Omega do what they do best and water this down.
    I don't believe that will be the case, assuming by "this thing" you mean the 321 movement. Limited Editions will continue as has been the case for the past decades but what brand in the same class isn't doing the same...
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    Re: 2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelller View Post
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    I don't believe that will be the case, assuming by "this thing" you mean the 321 movement. Limited Editions will continue as has been the case for the past decades but what brand in the same class isn't doing the same...
    Rolex, Nomos, Tudor...just to name the first few that came to mind


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    Re: 2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelller View Post
    I can't unread this... *sigh* I have to agree that the twisted lugs are pretty awesome. But ok, the 321EW won't be the first "throwback" reference I buy. My recent Seiko-diver tributes all look a bit more drab than their contemporaries, but ...in many ways that's the attraction of these tributes - they hark back to days of sparse design principles.
    Its interesting for me how much people pay attention to lugs. Personally I dont even look at the lugs that much, after owning speedy for 15years, after 5 or so I had to find out what is "twisted lug", not a big deal for me. However, If i really start to stare at the lug shapes and put my speedy fan glasses on, in a way, I think I like more ed white style straight lugs, much more simpler and cleaner look.

    And what comes to price, got change to get one modern ed white (311.30.40.30.01.001) for 11,000 USD, but I thought the price was still to high. Am I right still hitting myself in the head not pulling trigger on that one?

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    Re: 2020 Speedmaster 321 "Ed White" 311.30.40.30.01.001

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    ...got change to get one modern ed white (311.30.40.30.01.001) for 11,000 USD, but I thought the price was still to high. Am I right still hitting myself in the head not pulling trigger on that one?
    This reference is obviously not for you, so you did well to pass it up. Now maybe a real fan (of the 321EW) will get the same opportunity
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