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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Day View Post
    Yep. I could call your card with this one...

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    That article doesn’t state benefits of a column wheel. From my inexpert understanding, those revolve around a smoother instantiation if the column wheel is partnered with a vertical clutch. The trade off is in higher cost, more difficult servicing and potentially less resilience.

    So ‘better’ is reality about priorities. Surely the real reason most new high end calibres adopt column wheel is to differentiate from more widespread historical cam usage. Were column wheels the norm, the high end would be using cam. Let’s face it, that’s how these things generally work!

    The value of the 321 is, at least in my eyes, the historical connection. I expect that posited objective performance benefits are an after the fact argument.
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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    I could see this making its way into a few LE models for 2019 and a new Moonwatch for 2020.

    Changes in the new Moonwatch would probably include the new (old) movement, adjustable clasp, a ceramic LM bezel as and a $300-500 price increase.


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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Quote Originally Posted by RacingGreen II View Post
    That article doesn’t state benefits of a column wheel. From my inexpert understanding, those revolve around a smoother instantiation if the column wheel is partnered with a vertical clutch. The trade off is in higher cost, more difficult servicing and potentially less resilience.

    So ‘better’ is reality about priorities. Surely the real reason most new high end calibres adopt column wheel is to differentiate from more widespread historical cam usage. Were column wheels the norm, the high end would be using cam. Let’s face it, that’s how these things generally work!

    The value of the 321 is, at least in my eyes, the historical connection. I expect that posited objective performance benefits are an after the fact argument.
    Your views are your own. I'm not here to change them. I'm just pointing out that 9 out of 10 people are going to prefer and give higher value to a column wheel over a cam design. I'm one of the 9.


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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Quote Originally Posted by yuk0nxl1 View Post
    I could see this making its way into a few LE models for 2019 and a new Moonwatch for 2020.

    Changes in the new Moonwatch would probably include the new (old) movement, adjustable clasp, a ceramic LM bezel as and a $300-500 price increase.


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    If that watch arrives I suspect you’re a little optimistic with the price raise!

    I’d expect a 1000 gbp never mind dollars would be where they’d be looking to go, given how other chronographs are priced. Might not get there in one jump, granted, but the speedy pro is way behind 9 series models, Breitling (7750 based models nevermind in house) etc. That’s the gap I expect they’d look to close.
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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Day View Post
    Your views are your own. I'm not here to change them. I'm just pointing out that 9 out of 10 people are going to prefer and give higher value to a column wheel over a cam design. I'm one of the 9.


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    I don’t disagree. Just giving my (subjective) view on objective vs subjective appeal.

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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Iowa_Watchman View Post
    I don't see why they should be. It doesn't make the originals any less rare or unique. If the only reason you're buying a vintage Speedmaster is for the movement then you're doing it wrong in my opinion.



    I see almost no chance this movement won't be restricted to a limited edition, at least for the foreseeable future. From the press release, they don't have a dedicated assembly line for this movement so each one will stay with the same watchmaker from start to finish. That's not going to happen for a standard production watch from Omega.
    Omega doing a limited edition, can't see that happening anytime soon.
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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Estilo View Post
    From a traditional perspective of watch collecting, there is no arguing a column wheel has more value add than a cam lever.

    However, coming from the standpoint of a middle-income wage earner barely being able to afford this hobby, especially since I live in a third world country, I value pragmatism too. On this alone, I'd take a 1861 now, and save column wheel chronos for when I can actually afford them and rainy day fund for their service costs.
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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Quote Originally Posted by lzlbreak View Post
    OMG!! This is terribly exciting!!
    Unfortunately, not something I get to hear very often!
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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Can't argue with that. But 321 did pass the NASA tests, so I would consider it rugged enough for almost any use.

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    From a ruggedness perspective, a column wheel is weaker than the cam.
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    Re: Calibre 321 Back In Production

    Quote Originally Posted by RacingGreen II View Post
    If that watch arrives I suspect you’re a little optimistic with the price raise!

    I’d expect a 1000 gbp never mind dollars would be where they’d be looking to go, given how other chronographs are priced. Might not get there in one jump, granted, but the speedy pro is way behind 9 series models, Breitling (7750 based models nevermind in house) etc. That’s the gap I expect they’d look to close.
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    I would agree. If indeed they do a SE - and the word "gold" was mentioned - it will be pricey. The gold Speedy models are over 20 grand. The FOIS Sedna Gold is $20,300CAD here in Canada. So, if you allow for all the research and development of the 321, I would guess the price much higher. But I can't speculate on how much. I find, much of the time, that I am either surprised at how expensive a watch is, or at how much less it costs than I expected.
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