Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs
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    Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    There seems to be some interest out there on end link mods to fit Citizen divers, so here is how I did mine. First off, I am no jeweler or watch maker so your results may vary, probably for the better.

    First the end product. Looks good to my eye, kind of like an SKX007 with some flash and a new engine.

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    I had a spare Seiko Jubilee from an SKX007 that I wasn't using so I thought I would try it on my new BN0150. The notches on the underside of the end links looked like they were about the proper 1mm offset and might make a good reference point to grind down the sides from 22mm to 20mm wide. Turns out they are pretty close to where you want to grind to make them fit the Citizen 20mm lugs. I toof off the metal nearly to the notches. Using a grinding wheel on a dremel tool, I held up the lugs to the face of the wheel and took off a little bit of metal at a time. It is easy of loose hold of the end links so be careful and work slowly. Also, I took care not to damage the tangs on the underside of the end links. Also worked from the face of the end link to the inside, that way any metal burrs were on the inside and easier to clean off later.

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    I held the end links like so. Not the best method! The end links vibrated quite a bit and the metal got really hot. Ouch!
    The links nearly shot out of my fingers a couple of times. I was smart enough to wear eye protection for this operation, I suggest you do the same when working close to 30,000 rpm rotating tools.
    I'll give some suggested improved holding methods later.

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    Full width 22mm end link in back. See the notches on it? Grind almost till they are gone. Leave a bit of metal and test fit in the lugs before you take off too much. You can take off metal, but it is much harder to put it back.

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    Narrowed end link is on the right.

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    Mask the endlinks with tape or you might get stray scratches like these.
    Also work slow, the metal will discolor if it gets too hot.

    You will need to round off the sharp points to fit the Citizen case to lug curve. I used some sandpaper held along a book edge to gently make the curves. A fair amount of scratching is needed as you can see. You may want to deburr the inside of the end links as well. Fold the sandpaper into a tight roll around a nail or something and work your way from the inside out to remove the burrs from the grinding.
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    Here is a full width end link sitting on top of an installed narrowed one. See those notches again?
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    Rounded off the sharp points to fit into the Citizen case to lug curve better.
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    You may need to bend the tangs on the underside of the end links out just a bit to fit the spring bars. I used Seiko fat bars and a fine point on the spring bar tool to push the pins into place. It is a bit tricky to fit since the BN0150 case has that ledge in there. Make sure the pointed parts of the end link are over that ledge when you fit one end of the spring bar in. The rotate the other end of the pin into position, depress it, and pop it into place.

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    You're going to need a fine point spring bar tool to get these off again if you don't have drilled lugs. I used Seiko fat bars, but the Citizen spring bars might be easier to work with since they have flanges.
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    Not a bad fit.
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    If I were to do it again, I would use a punch to hold the end link, and tape off the face to protect it. A locking needle nose pliers would work but the teeth would need to be ground smooth to protect the end link from damage.
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    I like the results, the watch and band go good together. What I really like is the comfort. The flexy jubilee conforms well and the offset crown of the watch makes for a comfortable fit. Almost as comfortable as my trusty old 6309.

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    Hope this is helpful, cheers!
    It's all $hits and giggles until someone giggles and $hits.

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    Re: Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Alis66 View Post
    There seems to be some interest out there on end link mods to fit Citizen divers, so here is how I did mine. First off, I am no jeweler or watch maker so your results may vary, probably for the better. .....

    ...Hope this is helpful, cheers!
    Yes! It helps a lot! Thank you for explaining the process. I had considered using a dremel with cutting wheel but that would require some level "free-handing" and couldn't figure out how I would get a nice straight line. Now that I see the grinding wheel on the dremel, it makes perfect sense. Understand and agree with your prior comments about just taking it slow to control heat build up.

    Really nice job. I think the Jubilee looks stunning on this BN0150. In fact, in some ways, I like it better than the Citizen OEM. This adds some visual "pop" to the watch.

    I just ordered a bracelet and will be trying to do this myself!

    Thanks again!

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    Re: Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    Nice DIY project. Turned out well.

    You can get polymer/plastic hobby claps in various sizes that will hold and not scratch small pieces as opposed to a needle nose pliers from most hobby shops.
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    Re: Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Alis66 View Post
    There seems to be some interest out there on end link mods to fit Citizen divers, so here is how I did mine. First off, I am no jeweler or watch maker so your results may vary, probably for the better.

    First the end product. Looks good to my eye, kind of like an SKX007 with some flash and a new engine.

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    I had a spare Seiko Jubilee from an SKX007 that I wasn't using so I thought I would try it on my new BN0150. The notches on the underside of the end links looked like they were about the proper 1mm offset and might make a good reference point to grind down the sides from 22mm to 20mm wide. Turns out they are pretty close to where you want to grind to make them fit the Citizen 20mm lugs. I toof off the metal nearly to the notches. Using a grinding wheel on a dremel tool, I held up the lugs to the face of the wheel and took off a little bit of metal at a time. It is easy of loose hold of the end links so be careful and work slowly. Also, I took care not to damage the tangs on the underside of the end links. Also worked from the face of the end link to the inside, that way any metal burrs were on the inside and easier to clean off later.

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    I held the end links like so. Not the best method! The end links vibrated quite a bit and the metal got really hot. Ouch!
    The links nearly shot out of my fingers a couple of times. I was smart enough to wear eye protection for this operation, I suggest you do the same when working close to 30,000 rpm rotating tools.
    I'll give some suggested improved holding methods later.

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    Full width 22mm end link in back. See the notches on it? Grind almost till they are gone. Leave a bit of metal and test fit in the lugs before you take off too much. You can take off metal, but it is much harder to put it back.

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    Narrowed end link is on the right.

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    Mask the endlinks with tape or you might get stray scratches like these.
    Also work slow, the metal will discolor if it gets too hot.

    You will need to round off the sharp points to fit the Citizen case to lug curve. I used some sandpaper held along a book edge to gently make the curves. A fair amount of scratching is needed as you can see. You may want to deburr the inside of the end links as well. Fold the sandpaper into a tight roll around a nail or something and work your way from the inside out to remove the burrs from the grinding.
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    Here is a full width end link sitting on top of an installed narrowed one. See those notches again?
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    Rounded off the sharp points to fit into the Citizen case to lug curve better.
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    You may need to bend the tangs on the underside of the end links out just a bit to fit the spring bars. I used Seiko fat bars and a fine point on the spring bar tool to push the pins into place. It is a bit tricky to fit since the BN0150 case has that ledge in there. Make sure the pointed parts of the end link are over that ledge when you fit one end of the spring bar in. The rotate the other end of the pin into position, depress it, and pop it into place.

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    You're going to need a fine point spring bar tool to get these off again if you don't have drilled lugs. I used Seiko fat bars, but the Citizen spring bars might be easier to work with since they have flanges.
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    Not a bad fit.
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    If I were to do it again, I would use a punch to hold the end link, and tape off the face to protect it. A locking needle nose pliers would work but the teeth would need to be ground smooth to protect the end link from damage.
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    I like the results, the watch and band go good together. What I really like is the comfort. The flexy jubilee conforms well and the offset crown of the watch makes for a comfortable fit. Almost as comfortable as my trusty old 6309.

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    Hope this is helpful, cheers!
    Excellent post. Looks like the bracelet was made for the watch, and to my eyes makes the watch look somewhat vintage.
    Cheers

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    Re: Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    Looks nice.

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    Re: Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    Job well done mate!

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    Re: Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    Very good, i like how it look.

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    Re: Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    Man I'm glad I found this post.

    I bought the blue Promaster on a blue strap. Hated the strap but I had a SKX007 Jubilee bracelet I took off a 007 and replaced with a Strapcode Oyster.

    This is a fantastic upgrade for the Citizen. New and takeoff Seiko Jubilles can be had by the thousands for 25-30 bucks. I highly reccomend this as a bracelet option for the Citizen. Jubilee is an extremely comfortable bracelet option. Plus it looks great. Anybody want to buy an Uncle Seiko 20mm blue waffle strap? Never installed.

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    Re: Modding a Seiko Jubilee to Fit Citizen BN0150 20mm Lugs

    Great idea and nice work on the mod. For those not mechanically inclined, here is the Citizen bracelet part number 59-S06105. It is a very nice bracelet with ratcheting micro adjustments. Sit down when you check the price though! https://bands.hurleyrobertsservice.c...d-to-case-pins

    You should be able to get 10% off at Hurley's when signing up for their newsletters, or possibly just a first order deal. I've had mine a while and don't recall other than I did get the discount. Here is another source: https://www.totalwatchrepair.com/pro...nt=38574118286

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