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    Has anyone seen this patina on a Sub dial before?

    I posted this on TRF and got a bunch of blank stares, so we'll try again here.

    This is a 14060 T-Serial ('1996). The dial has a unique spider pattern. I haven't had much luck in my research. I did manage to find a Reddit sales listing for a T-Serial that also had the same patina (it was definitely a different watch). In the Reddit comments, another user claimed to also have a T-Serial with the same effect but did not provide a photo to prove it. I don't consider this to be a traditional "spider" dial since those are typically found in much older watches.

    I know the picture is not great but it was the best I could do to capture the patina. You can only see it at a certain angle. It's definitely not a fingerprint.
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    Here's a straight-on photo of the same watch. Dial looks normal and correct under most lighting conditions.
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    My assumption is that it is an authentic dial that has a manufacturing flaw and was produced only in 1996. Likely only a small number of these would have been made otherwise I would have found other examples online. Any sent to Rolex for service would have had their dials replaced. It is a very subtle effect and very difficult to see. Some owners may have them and not even noticed.

    If you have a T-serial 14060 with an original dial, please study it closely and let me know if you see the same effect.

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    I'm no expert but I believe that's called a Spider dial but you already know about that. It is caused by imperfections in the dial material used and lacquering which uniquely cracks over time - it's the result of experimentation with new materials before Rolex perfected the right combination to finish the dials:

    https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-bl...rfections.html

    It's on Bob's Watches.

    If I'm wrong, hope someone can help to answer this or affirm.
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    Re: Has anyone seen this patine on a Sub dial before?

    Spider dial?


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    Re: Has anyone seen this patine on a Sub dial before?

    Quote Originally Posted by MeiXiang View Post
    I'm no expert but I believe that's called a Spider dial but you already know about that. It is caused by imperfections in the dial material used and lacquering which uniquely cracks over time - it's the result of experimentation with new materials before Rolex perfected the right combination to finish the dials:

    https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-bl...rfections.html

    It's on Bob's Watches.

    If I'm wrong, hope someone can help to answer this or affirm.
    I've been hesitant to call it that, only because the research I've done indicates that the typical spider dials occurred in the 1980s. I was not able to find reference to "spider dial" issues in the mid 90s.

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    Re: Has anyone seen this patine on a Sub dial before?

    looks like fungus. It’s not spider. Whatever it is it needs cleaning off before it damages anything. No, you’ve not found the holy grail.

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    Re: Has anyone seen this patine on a Sub dial before?

    Quote Originally Posted by nobbylon 2 View Post
    looks like fungus. It’s not spider. Whatever it is it needs cleaning off before it damages anything. No, you’ve not found the holy grail.
    Unless you have first-hang experience with this before, I consider that to be the least likely theory that I've heard so far.

    The picture may look like that, but up close it is clearly not material growing on the surface. I believe it's part of the dial and does not look like it could be cleaned off (although I admit that I haven't tried).

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    Re: Has anyone seen this patine on a Sub dial before?

    Quote Originally Posted by seabass23 View Post
    Unless you have first-hang experience with this before, I consider that to be the least likely theory that I've heard so far.

    The picture may look like that, but up close it is clearly not material growing on the surface. I believe it's part of the dial and does not look like it could be cleaned off (although I admit that I haven't tried).
    OK but thx for sharing

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    Re: Has anyone seen this patine on a Sub dial before?

    Here's photos from an old classified listing on r/Watchexchange on Reddit. According to the seller, also a T-serial. This shows the same dial effect.

    At least I know that mine isn't the only one out there.
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    Re: Has anyone seen this patine on a Sub dial before?

    I’d just start calling it a Cobweb dial


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    Re: Has anyone seen this patine on a Sub dial before?

    Is it definitely on the dial, or is the AR coating degrading on the underside of the crystal?
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