I know you should never buy watches as an investment. But if say to get an new Daytona from my AD I would need to first punches a Datejust then is there a Datejust out there that holds most if not all of its value ounce purchased yet never worn? Example, Oystersteel vs Rolesor ( gold and Oystersteel ) , white blue gold dial, Roman numerals or indices, smooth or fluted bezel, oyster band or jubilee? I know this sounds stupid but if anyone here knows which Datejusts hold their value please enlighten me.
Are you saying you want to buy a Date-Just to be in better standing with an AD to get better pieces?
(May as well call DavidSW Monday morning and order whatever Daytona you want and skip the Date-Just altogether)
I'm guessing Date-Justs are worth 50% of MSRP for a long time after purchase.
Newsflash - The Date-Just is a wonderful watch on it's own merits and worth wearing every day and buying from an AD at MSRP.
I can get ANY Rolex model I want at MSRP from an AD....and have bought quite a few.
If I only wanted to wear a Daytona, I'd be miles ahead buying only a new Daytona from DavidSW at $30,000.
Just numbers in the air and I NEVER expect to get anything back....
Unfortunately yes that is what I'm saying, in a perfect world I would purchase many Rolex watches, Datejust 41 , Explorer II polar, the newer Sea-Dweller with red text and oculus, maybe even the white gold rubber band yacht master, but I want more than anything to get a Daytona and can't stomach paying double retail, nor can I afford it. So if I have to buy a DJ 41 and sell it to get my Daytona that's what I'm going to do but only if it makes financial sense.
Blue dial, stick indexes DJ41 is the hottest datejust right now..unfortunately these are becoming hard to get at the moment too, AD’s have stopped ordering them on request.
To get a Daytona You won't get it with a, one off, DJ41 buy...
They've become so much demanded that even AD's aren't managing to get them to, already, (very good) costumers and as such, they've been treating those Daytonas' as "prizes" for those clients that are willing to "eat the cake, and not only the cherry on top".
Consider setting Your sights on something more attainable, at the present. By this I mean... if You manage any Steel Sports model (Milgauss, Air-King, Explorer I,...) ... go for it, but unless You really want to keep it, don't hold it for years and years.
Gold will always be gold while Steel is a... fashion of sorts that will, eventually, blow off with the exception of 1 or 2 models in particular.
Remember that, before all this crave for the Daytona it was one of the worst selling models for Rolex until a particular news come out...
The best returns come from rhodium and blue dial all steel with fluted bezel. However they are already unicorns and the market has priced this accordingly. Buy with confidence, but you may not generate superprofits.
I wish you luck. I’ve seen one daytona at retail in the last 3 years. I’ve never got the hype on this watch. And if you think getting a DJ will help at an AD forget it as they are the ones selling them on to grey at profit. Sorry but that’s the story.
126300 easily available at retail in EU
126334 available but approx €750 over list
If they did it with a brushed bracelet I’d have one but really dislike pcl’s on anything.
I would trust @m1911’s expertise on these matters.
I don’t think buying the “hottest” SS DJ model, or any DJ model, really gets you anywhere closer to a SS Daytona.
Also, it seems you are taking on a lot of unnecessary risk with buying an unwanted DJ with the (very very slim) hopes of a future purchase of a SS Daytona.
I am guessing people who have relationships with ADs where they can reasonably source a SS Daytona, have been good customers for years — at least certainly before this craze.
Find a watch that fits your needs and your budget, there are plenty of great ones out there.
Daytona has always been hard to find since I started looking at watches in 1976 !!!
I was quoted 7 year wait back in 1991 so I don’t know where you get the Daytona didn’t sell thing from. I’ve personally seen 4 in the last 43 years, yes 43! 2 no crown guard models, a new Zenith crown guard model and a ceramic white. The rest have been at the greys at double money.
Daytona has always been hard to find since I started looking at watches in 1976 !!!
I was quoted 7 year wait back in 1991 so I don't know where you get the Daytona didn't sell thing from. I've personally seen 4 in the last 43 years, yes 43! 2 no crown guard models, a new Zenith crown guard model and a ceramic white. The rest have been at the greys at double money.
Wow, I saw one last month at my AD's an SS ceramic black dial on a guys wrist who told me he had recently picked it up from my AD. 5 mins later my guy comes out to give the guy the watch he was there to pick up, it was a brand new GMT II Pepsi jubilee. So obviously my AD can get these watches, whether or not he can get them for me is another question. I've purchased 3 watches from there already so wouldn't a fourth, being a DJ help. Probably not, I'm dreaming aren't I?
The guy you saw was probably a grey dealer picking up his latest scalp
Hate to say it but I think you are dreaming. If you are that keen I’d pay a grey and enjoy it now and you would not have heard that from me a year ago!
The AD’s in my area were playing so many games I decided to take a couple of my lower cost PM’s and trade for 14060M. The watch I wanted. The TS still has them listed on his website. I truly appreciate the effort our TS shops do for us.
The 41 but obviously in certain colours and all-steel only; the secondary market is driven by male buyers and the 36 is now classes as a women's size, like it as not.
Another one that will offer potentially good returns in future is the OP39 black/white reference. New requires a healthy (10-20%) premium on list with consequences for secondary market prices.
Unfortunately yes that is what I'm saying, in a perfect world I would purchase many Rolex watches, Datejust 41 , Explorer II polar, the newer Sea-Dweller with red text and oculus, maybe even the white gold rubber band yacht master, but I want more than anything to get a Daytona and can't stomach paying double retail, nor can I afford it. So if I have to buy a DJ 41 and sell it to get my Daytona that's what I'm going to do but only if it makes financial sense.
OP, obviously, you don't have a real interest in any DJ41 as you are willing to get any one solely based on its resale value. You are willing to pay as high as the price of a TT DJ41, which is the MSRP price of a Daytona, for a watch that you don't want, and will resell at lost (this or any other DJ41), in order to get a hypothetical possibility of buying the Daytona that you want. Does it make financial sense? absolutely not; you will be paying a large sum of money without any garanty that you will get the Daytona.
Wow, I saw one last month at my AD's an SS ceramic black dial on a guys wrist who told me he had recently picked it up from my AD. 5 mins later my guy comes out to give the guy the watch he was there to pick up, it was a brand new GMT II Pepsi jubilee. So obviously my AD can get these watches, whether or not he can get them for me is another question. I've purchased 3 watches from there already so wouldn't a fourth, being a DJ help. Probably not, I'm dreaming aren't I?
"Your AD can get these watches". Of course, those watches have to be sold somewhere, but the question is not if your AD can get these watches, the question is if he is willing to sell you these watches. The guy you are talking about is not a rarity, it's the typical VIP client that gets the first shot at unicorns. Of course, you go on forums and hear stories about guys that got a unicorn at MSRP without previous history, or by just buying a Tudor, but it's the internet, are you sure that they are always telling the whole story? and even if a story is true, do you know what could be the reason why the AD decided to give this specific watch to this specific customer? As I noticed, most, if not all of those encouraging stories are in the US, where most of the ADs are jewelers at the same time, and as you know, jewelery margins are extremely high, so when someone tells you that he got a 10,000$ BLRO at MSRP without prior Rolex purchase history, but fails to mention that his wife is the shop's best customer, that's, for instance, not telling the whole story.
At the end of the day, it's your money OP, you can spend it based on advices and stories from strangers, and hope to get your grail some day, or you can lower your expectations and try to find in the vast Rolex line up the Rolex that you really like and can get either at MSRP, or with a premium that you are confortable with. Good luck with your decision.
You've bought 3 watches over ~20 years from the AD. A single DJ is not going to make a dent. Don't waste your money on a watch you don't want for a speculative hope of then buying a Daytona. I doubt you will get the call, but I am confident if you buy the unwanted DJ, the AD will provide you with many more unwanted "opportunities."
An interesting listen, Jean-Claude Biver talks about running Hublot, and releasing LE watches, because their core customer base buys a $10k-$20k watch every 3-4 months, and he wanted to keep a Hublot on their wrist. That guy you saw at the AD was probably a similar, long time customer.
Others have told you to worry less, travel more... certainly a better way to spend money. It's not a Daytona, but I was in Asia, and walked by an AD with a Sub on display, which is how I got mine.
Finally, you have 3 watches. Is the Daytona your #1 watch? Or your #4? If it is your #1, flipping those others plus the $12k you were willing to spend on an unwanted TT DJ41 probably gets you a Daytona from a trusted reseller.
Am I the only one who doesn’t like Hublot’s. And for no reason, I can’t tell you why I don’t like them I just don’t. Question, how dumb would it be to walk into my AD and be like “oh, I would love to buy that Explorer but I can buy that at another AD not 15 mins away. Maybe if you could throw in a Daytona then I would buy both right now”. BTW I really do want an Explorer I or II polar. What? It’s not extortion? Ok got its probably not a good idea especially because I really like my AD guy.
If I read the tag correctly, this preowned DJ41 blue/sticks/fluted/jubilee was priced at a bit over $10k at a local AD - about $1k over MSRP. And they had maybe two or three new DJ41s in the case, too.
If your AD has told you he would give you a Daytona RIGHT NOW, ie he is holding it in his hand, if you bought the Datejust, do it. If not I think you would be making a huge mistake. While I appreciate your frustration at the premiums, which I agree are nuts, the fact is the REAL market price of the Daytona is what you see. The REAL market price of a Nautilus is double retail as well. Does not mean it's a good price but that is reality. Sucks, I agree, however you need to decide if you are going to pony up or not. Good luck on your quest.
Thank you, and yeah it does suck, and why, WHY, can't Rolex stop being such a pu#*y and make more SS Daytonas. And for that matter Patek making more 5711/1A's, I've seen them for almost 3 times the price. But if I'm going to spend $24k on a watch it'd be a Lange or an AP or a used Patek. At least with the two watch scenario I would have two, count them two watches, and then I could sell the DJ41 and get most of my money back. But that seems highly unlikely so I've decided to move on. Maybe a Speedmaster an Explorer. Hey what would you guys suggest instead?
I am waiting on a DJ41 blue, fluted on jubilee from debmanproject and can’t wait. Local AD said 6-8 month wait and not guaranteed since I am not previous client.
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