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    Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    So I am looking at picking one of the pre-ceramic Submariners up. I used to own a ceramic Date model (116610LN) but it was just too big for my feminine sized wrist.

    After going through several other watches, I have now come back full-circle and realise that I need to get one of these models to satisfy the itch.

    Now - my choices are between:

    16610 (date version) preferably 2002 k-serial.

    This model benefits from solid end links and has the full submariner look with the cyclops date window.

    14060M (no date version) preferably the latest model before the new ceramic was brought in - so around 2011/2012.

    This model benefits from the upgraded hairspring, engraved rehaut, classic submariner styling, 4 line COSC certified.

    Both models have the lug holes which is important for strap changes (thatís why I only looked at 2002 16610 as the latest model as they lose the lug holes after that year).

    Both models are similar prices but I donít know what to go for...my head is saying the 16610 as itís the full package with the cyclops but my heart says the 14060M for the classic looks.

    Any suggestions?
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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    Iíve owned both. I sold my 16610 because it was modified with aftermarket parts before I purchased from a jeweler in Beverly Hills. The links on the band were loose as well. Several years later I purchased a mint condition 14060M with all the original stuff and from a known Rolex shop.

    IMO both are classics. Wherever you purchase double check for original parts and try to get with the box and paperwork.


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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    Do you want your watch to tell you the date? If you didn't miss it before with the no-date then I would go 14060M. BTW I believe the ref # you mentioned above was the date model.

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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    I am a big FAN of no-date watches, so obviously I would pick the 14060M........my 2-liner & 4-liner



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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    Quote Originally Posted by maylebox View Post
    Do you want your watch to tell you the date? If you didn't miss it before with the no-date then I would go 14060M. BTW I believe the ref # you mentioned above was the date model.
    Good spot. I had the ceramic date model - amended the post.

    I am really struggling with how to decide...

    I am now also looking at later iterations of the 16610 after 2002 and up to 2010. I now understand that strap changes can still be made without lug holes but itís just a bit more of a job to do this.

    What benefits would I get going for a late model 16610 over a 14060M - better bracelet - anything else?


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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    I had and sold a 114060 and bought a 2001 14060m two line dial. It looks so simple with the clean dial. I've always preferred no date watches and I'm not a fan of the cyclops on the Sub although it looks fine on a GMT or DJ.

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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    i'm also wearing my 2-line 14060M today.

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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    14060M for me. The cyclops is not my thing and the only time I'll put up with it is on my Skydweller.
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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    It’s difficult to pick a watch for another man.

    I understand your liking for the cyclops; it’s iconically Rolex and is like a little gem sitting on the crystal.

    However, the five digit no date is special because it’s the last of the “tool watches.” There’s little need for the date if you are underwater. That “specialness” trumps the date.
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    Re: Rolex Submariner: 16610 vs 14060M

    Personally, not a fan of no date watches, especially the Sub. BTW, I bought my 16610 in mid-2000 and it has the SEL bracelet with holes in the case. No idea what the serial number series is. The no-date thing is a forum meme. I knew one guy 30 years ago who had a no-date because he couldn't spend the additional money for the complication.

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