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    For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    A while back I stumbled across this little gem.

    A Lemania 5100 movement in a Lemania watch.
    You don't come across automatic Lemanias that often; you usually may find a few Lemania stopwatches and hand-wound Lemanias for sale, but a Lemania watch with the 5100 movement is not that common.

    This one came almost NIB from a dealer in Italy, has a French date, and is somewhat smaller than the Sinn 142 and 157 models.

    The unique feature is the bezel, which shows several time zones.
    You rotate the bezel until your time zone is opposite the hour hand and then you can read local times in other time zones below the respective marker on the bezel.
    Simple and effective, if you don't get hung up on details like daylight saving time.


    But one small detail is not quite right with this watch.








    Can anybody spot it?



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    Last edited by Kurt Koerfgen; July 8th, 2008 at 07:28. Reason: Explaing the rotating bezel

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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    Ummm.. Tokyo is placed a bit oddly, yes?

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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    Quote Originally Posted by drfish View Post
    Ummm.. Tokyo is placed a bit oddly, yes?
    Close, but no cigar....


    GMT plus 9 hrs for Tokyo is correct.



    If you look at Los Angeles, the time zone is 8 hours BEHIND GMT, while Bombay - just next to it - is 5 hrs AHEAD of GMT. (More precisely, Bombay is 5 1/2 hrs ahead of GMT, but that was not the small detail I was referring to.)
    So, for time zones that are ahead of you reference you need to count clockwise, for time zones that are behind you need to count counterclockwise.


    Any other suggestions?




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    Last edited by Kurt Koerfgen; July 8th, 2008 at 08:29. Reason: Explaining time zones ahead/behind reference time zone

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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    Black case? No, I have not a clue!

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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Koerfgen View Post
    But one small detail is not quite right with this watch.



    Can anybody spot it?

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    The hand on the minute sub-dial did not reset correctly?

    BTW, what happened to this brand?

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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    The hand on the minute sub-dial did not reset correctly?

    BTW, what happened to this brand?
    I think its current owner is Swatch.

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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry T View Post
    The hand on the minute sub-dial did not reset correctly?

    BTW, what happened to this brand?

    No, the hands reset fine.


    Sometime in the late 70's Lemania decided to get out of the business to build watches and concentrated on movements alone.
    They had a long established cooperation with brands like Omega (Speedmaster, etc.), supplying them with movements, and during the days of the Japanese quartz invasion the market for mechanical watches was just getting too small for a smaller player like Lemania to survive.

    In 1992 Lemania became part of the Groupe Horloger Berguet (GHB), which was purchased in 1999 by (you may have guessed it) the Swatch Group.

    During their heydays Lemania manufactured hand-wound chronographs for many Armed Forces and may you come across examples of these from time to time. Many of those are well preserved and still in good running condition, which attests to the quality that Lemania put into their watches.

    Under the Swatch Group Lemania was first forced to stop selling movements to companies that are not part of the Swatch Group, later they were forced to stop producing the well-known and much beloved Lemania 5100 movement and evntually the Lemania name was abandoned altogether in favour of the Breguet name.


    Still; when you mention the name Lemania today, many watch collectors associate this with not only excellent movements, but also with outstanding watches.



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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    well the C EUROPE is odd to me and the day is french but other than that don't know
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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    Montreal should be the same time zone as NY...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Koerfgen View Post
    A while back I stumbled across this little gem.

    A Lemania 5100 movement in a Lemania watch.
    You don't come across automatic Lemanias that often; you usually may find a few Lemania stopwatches and hand-wound Lemanias for sale, but a Lemania watch with the 5100 movement is not that common.

    This one came almost NIB from a dealer in Italy, has a French date, and is somewhat smaller than the Sinn 142 and 157 models.

    The unique feature is the bezel, which shows several time zones.
    You rotate the bezel until your time zone is opposite the hour hand and then you can read local times in other time zones below the respective marker on the bezel.
    Simple and effective, if you don't get hung up on details like daylight saving time.


    But one small detail is not quite right with this watch.








    Can anybody spot it?



    K.

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    Re: For Lemania 5100 Fans: Not quite a Sinn, but close

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Koerfgen View Post
    But one small detail is not quite right with this watch.

    I don't know the 5100 layout - my 5100 only has the center seconds and minutes, no subdial.

    But my guess would be something to do with the subs. There seems to be a 12 and a 24 sub - is that normal?

    I guess that is why I like my 5100, as I don't really need to know hours. Not much of my timing exceeds an hour, so an hour register is not that functional for my use.

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