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    Cool Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    I've been looking seriously at the Ball watch lineup but became pretty frustrated by their opaque calibre numbering scheme. Not only do they not list which calibre corresponds to which ebauche, they changed the numbering scheme so old references (including right here in the Watchuseek Ball forum) are less than helpful.

    I put a bit of time and energy into it and think I've come up with a complete (!) cross-reference for all current and former Ball movements. All of this comes from Internet research, so I welcome feedback!

    To facilitate updates, I put this whole reference over at the Watches Wiki: Ball Watch Company - Watch Wiki, The Best Watches And Watch Brands

    Without further ado, I give you the complete Ball movement cross-reference!

    Movement Former Name Base Ebauche Features
    RR1101 ETA 2892-A2 Automatic, 3 hands, date
    RR1102 ETA 2836-2 Automatic, 3 hands, day, date
    RR1102C ETA 2836-2 Automatic, 3 hands, day, date, COSC
    RR1103 ETA 2824-2 Automatic, 3 hands, date
    RR1104 ETA 2671 Automatic, 3 hands, date at 3, ladies
    RR1105 ETA 2895 Automatic, 2 hands, small seconds, date
    RR1106 ETA 2824-2 Automatic, 3 hands, date
    RR1201 ETA 2893-2 Automatic, 4 hands, date at 3, GMT
    RR1201C ETA 2893-2 Automatic, 4 hands, date at 3, GMT
    RR1202 293 ETA 2893-2 Automatic, 4 hands, date at 4:30, UTC 24-hour, GMT, date change warning indicator
    RR1301 3513 or 651 ETA 2892-A2 with a module for second timezone Automatic, 3 hands, big date at 12, second timezone with hour and minute hands
    RR1302 Automatic, 3 hands, date, second timezone, power reserve
    RR1401 2050 Valjoux 7750 Automatic, date at 12, 2-register chronograph
    RR1401SL 2050 Valjoux 7750 Automatic, date at 12, 2-register chronograph, SpringLock protection
    RR1402C Valjoux 7750 Automatic, date at 3, 3-register chronograph
    RR1403 350 ETA 7750 Automatic, single-button 2-register chronograph, month, day, date
    RR1404 Valjoux 7754 Automatic, 2-hand, sub seconds, chronograph, GMT
    RR1405 351 ETA 7750 Automatic, 2-register chronograph, month, day, date
    RR1406 Valjoux 7751 Automatic, 2-register chronograph, 24-hour indication, moon phase, pointer day with day and month
    RR1407 969 modified Valjoux 7750 Automatic, single-button chronograph with separate second register, day, date
    RR1501 965 ETA 2836-2 Automatic, 3-hand world time, day, date
    RR1502 352 modified Valjoux 7750 Automatic, 3-register chronograph, world time, day and date at 3
    RR1601 9018 ETA 2892 Automatic, 3-hand, date at 1, thermometer (F or C); -40° temperature endurance + mechanical thermometer that ranges from -35 to 45°C
    RR1701 3513 perhaps ETA 2826 Big Date modified by Soprod for power meter Automatic, 3-hand, big date at 12, power meter
    RR1702 ETA 2897 Automatic, 3-hand, date, power meter
    RR1801 968 ETA 2836 Central Moon Phase
    RR2101 ETA 7001 Manual, 2-hand, small seconds
    RR2701 ETA 7001 Manual, 2-hand, small seconds, power meter
    Old Names


    • 124 - The Night Train movement, UMT + Date warning system, base ETA 2824, used on the Fireman series
    • 197 - Linear Power Reserve, base ETA 2897, used on the Trainmaster series
    • 250 - Single-button Chronograph, base ETA 7750, used on the Trainmaster series
    • 293 (now RR1202) - UMT, dual 12 hour hands + Date warning system, base ETA 2893, used on the Trainmaster series
    • 350 (now RR1403) - Single-button Chronograph + Linear Triple Date, base ETA 7750, used on the Trainmaster series
    • 351 (now RR1405) - Chronograph + Linear Triple Date, base ETA 7750, used on the Trainmaster series
    • 651 (now RR1301) - Dual Time and Big Date, used on the Trainmaster series
    • 968 (now RR1801) - Central Moon Phase, base ETA 2836, used on the Engineer Master series
    • 2050 (now RR1401) - The Cannonball Movement, 45-minute chronograph with 2 subdials and date at 12 o'clock, base ETA 2824, used on the Trainmaster series
    • 9018 (now RR1601) - "TMT movement" base ETA 2892, -40° temperature endurance + mechanical thermometer that ranges from -35 to 45°C
    • 9035 - GMT Power Reserve used on the Trainmaster & Conductor series(sold out), 48 hours power reserve


    Cheers!
    Last edited by SFoskett; December 19th, 2013 at 14:17. Reason: Fix error on RR1201
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    Re: Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    Excellent........was much needed, thanks!

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    Re: Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    Stout Fellow!

    Thank you for your efforts.

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    Re: Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    Great! Lots of detective work here and much appreciated. I do believe, though, there is a typo on Ball 1201/1201C showing it as a 6498 which is a hand wound movement. I think it should be a variant of the 2893. Noticed because I just bought a Red Label GMT and inquired as to the ETA base movement.

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    Wonderful, Thanks!
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    Re: Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    Nice work!
    I have not compared yours to the one Samanator posted a couple of months ago, but it would be a good exercise to make sure that they agree. It is in the reference section at this link...
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f255/20...ix-926075.html

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    Re: Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by waterbrook View Post
    Nice work!
    I have not compared yours to the one Samanator posted a couple of months ago, but it would be a good exercise to make sure that they agree. It is in the reference section at this link...
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f255/20...ix-926075.html
    Samanator's Matrix was actually my first source. I really appreciate him pulling all that information together, since the new names were not well documented outside of Ball's website. However, the missing link was a connection to the old names of the movements as well as the original manufacturer. This is the key addition that I have made: I tried to match up, by watch, the old and new movement names as well as, by feature, the original ETA movements.

    As noted, I have likely made a few mistakes and I will attempt to fix them as quickly as possible. I appreciate any corrections people can provide!


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    Re: Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by gtuck View Post
    Great! Lots of detective work here and much appreciated. I do believe, though, there is a typo on Ball 1201/1201C showing it as a 6498 which is a hand wound movement. I think it should be a variant of the 2893. Noticed because I just bought a Red Label GMT and inquired as to the ETA base movement.
    I believe you are correct. I think this is a copy and paste error on my part! I will fix it as soon as possible. It doesn't make any sense that it would be a 6498, and a 2893 fits the size and functions.


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    Re: Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by SFoskett View Post
    Samanator's Matrix was actually my first source. I really appreciate him pulling all that information together, since the new names were not well documented outside of Ball's website. However, the missing link was a connection to the old names of the movements as well as the original manufacturer. This is the key addition that I have made: I tried to match up, by watch, the old and new movement names as well as, by feature, the original ETA movements.

    As noted, I have likely made a few mistakes and I will attempt to fix them as quickly as possible. I appreciate any corrections people can provide!


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    Nice effort. I'll note we're still waiting on a statement from Ball regarding the movements. Since I don't know what that is I held off from including past references on purpose. S
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    Re: Complete Ball Movement Cross-Reference

    Quote Originally Posted by samanator View Post
    Nice effort. I'll note we're still waiting on a statement from Ball regarding the movements. Since I don't know what that is I held off from including past references on purpose. S
    Good point.

    That's why I tried to pull together what could be gleaned from less official sources. Much of the ETA source info actually came from the web site of a Ball AD, actually, so that's semi-official at least.
    Last edited by samanator; December 22nd, 2013 at 16:02. Reason: per PM

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