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    Worth a Punt?

    I have been offered this by my watchmaker who knows I like old Zeniths.
    What do you think?
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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    Don’t know but my gut feeling says to stay away from this one.

    How much is he asking for it?

    Under USD$500.00?
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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    Beautiful, and it even has the original, hidden crown. Can't see the dial very well through the scuffs on the crystal, but it seems to be in very good condition. There are not many around that were certified as 'chronometres'. Dates to c. 1957.
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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    I must say that I'm with sempervivens on this one. Looks all original, the crown is even original too, it is a Chronometre so added value there..... Unless he is charging the earth or it's not working, I'd go for it.

    Hartmut Richter
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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    For the right price Id also say get it.
    With a new glass it is gonna look a lot better.
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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    Quote Originally Posted by dantan View Post
    Don’t know but my gut feeling says to stay away from this one.

    How much is he asking for it?

    Under USD$500.00?
    We were playing the “don’t talk about money” game for a couple of weeks . When I returned he would not give me an asking price so I started with the sterling equivalent of your figure and he accepted my offer provided that he serviced it and I agreed because his prices are very reasonable.

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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    Congratulations on a great deal and fine addition to your Zenith collection.
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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    Just back from the watchmaker, dial is a sort of cafe au lait colour. The only problem he had was a worn cannon pinion which was more difficult to fix because it is not in the middle of the movement, similar to many ETA movements. I pay, he resolves the problems.

    The case is sharp and scratched and the plastic crystal is also original , just polished.
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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    Nice watch! Of course the cannon pinion is not in the middle of the movement! This is the first wrist watch in history with truly modern centre seconds mechanism, which involves the shifting of the (former) centre gear away from the centre and the rediversion of the train of action dial side. What I find interesting and a little depressing is that Zenith, the (re-)inventors of this technology (or at least the ones that introduced it to wrist watches - there are some 19th century Bovet pocket watches that also had it) took a step back in 1960 when they adopted the Martel series of movements (25x2) which had the older system of coaxial centre seconds and centre gear. The easiest way to distinguish this is by looking at the geartrain: if you can see three rubies, it's the older system, if you can see four, it's the newer one. Compare e.g. the ETA 1080 (older system) and 2390 (newer system) series of movements:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: ETA 1080

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: ETA 2390

    ...and then look at the Zenith Cal. 2532:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Zenith 2532

    You do actually get versions of these movements with four geartrain jewels but these are conversions to indirect subseconds (!):

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Zenith 2531

    Maybe they were too busy with the development of the El Primero in the 1960s that they didn't get round to developing a new series of really modern, "ordinary" three hand and date movements.....

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Worth a Punt?

    Congratulations again, looking great!

    Could you perhaps confirm the case number, which I find hard to read? Your watch is interesting and I would like to note it in my database.

    Although the movement number dates to ca. 1957/58, the case number probably dates to ca. 1961.

    This discrepancy is nothing unusual, but a reason why it can be tough sometimes to date a Zenith. I often wonder how Zenith archives date the watches: based on the movement number or the case number? Or sometimes the one, sometimes the other?
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