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    Zenith Billodes?

    Hi all posted this in the vintage forum but think I should post it here also.

    This watch was gifted to me the other day. It is not in my possession as of yet. Would like to know if this is a Billodes caliber 18-28-3A.
    Thanks in advance.


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    Re: Zenith Billodes?

    I'm not sure it has anything to do with Zenith at all. I made a small montage, see attached picture. Please keep us posted if you learn more.

    It looks like a nice watch, congratulations, if it runs well all is well.
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    Re: Zenith Billodes?

    Mars Mountain is correct. The Cal. 18-28-3-A, which is really a Zenith calibre, not a Billodes calibre, looks quite different.

    Until the turn of the (19th-20th) century, Zenith made watches under several names: Defi, Diogenes, Billodes and (the founder's name) George Favre-Jacot. Later, Zenith was added as a brand and around 1911, the whole company took on that name. The movements were usually, though not always, also used in their respective watches so you would expect a Billodes movement to be found in a Billodes watch. Since your watch is definitely 20th century, I would expect it to have "Zenith" on the movement and probably also the dial.

    There is actually a Defi calibre that looks rather similar, the Cal. 18''' or Cal. 19''' (depending on the size). The bridge layout is almost identical, although the click on the mainspring is different. What really kills off that comparison for me, though, is the direction the geartrain takes in your watch. Normally, the jewels for the gear wheels curve round towards the middle again, but in yours, they seem to veer off towards the outside and I can't even see how they connect with the centre wheel again! Most unusual - and definitely not Zenith's style.

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Zenith Billodes?

    Thank you both for your comments. Will have to actually wait for the watch and see if it has some marking that will help me identify the movement better.

    Thanks once again.
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    Re: Zenith Billodes?

    For what it's worth, the only other calibre I know with this "indirect" geartrain (geartrain connects with the mainspring, bypassing the centre wheel which is then driven indirectly off the mainspring) is the Junghans Cal. J38:

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...k&Junghans_J38

    ...but that would be the mirror image of your calibre. Still, it might be something by a Germanic maker rather than being Swiss.

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Zenith Billodes?

    Far too many differences to be a Junghans 138, even mirror imaged.

    We look forward to your providing addtional detail!

    Best regards,

    Dan

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    Re: Zenith Billodes?

    Thanks again for all your help Gentlemen. I will post anything new I find here if you do not mind. I know this is not a Zenith, do not want to be off topic here. So please let me know.
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