I guess the forum has been a bit of a Pete Millar thing the last few days and I may have stolen a bit of the new 800Ti's thunder so in way of amends, here are a few thoughts on the new watch.
First off, I think any association with the name Army should be dropped. When it was first used in the initial thread many people had visions of a reissue of the vintage Army SUB. The 800Ti couldn't be further from that watch if you had beaten it to a pulp with a hammer. Call it the SUB 800Ti and leave it at that. It means than that if Doxa ever do decide to make a reissue of the Classic Army SUB the name is free and there is no possibility of confusion. If you want to refer to the MIL spec used for the Tritium tubes, do so in the watch info blurb, but leave it out of the name. There was a bit of a backlash the last time claims were made for the MIL-SUB. People can see through "stretched" claims easily. Ahhhh, ahhhhh, excuse me...achoooooooooo, sorry, I'm alergic to BS
OK having got that out of the way, I have to say I think the watch looks fantastic. It is better than I could have imagined and I think the twin tubes on the minute hand is a work of genious as was including a tube on the bezel.
I know that many people would have liked a rice bead bracelet, but I think the 5000T bracelet was a better choice. In terms of strength, stability and looks, I think it is way ahead of the original 750T ricebead bracelet. Case in point. I was diving with the 300T reissue Irishstar in Cayman. It uses the same divers extension clasp as on the 750T. When I got underwater the watch kept slipping down my wetsuit onto my wrist. I eventually had to wear the watch under the wetsuit cuff. I believe having the ability to manipulate the ratchet clasp on the 5000T would have prevented that. I'm sure one of the Searaiders will chime in here because the 5000T was used underwater on several dives. Todd, any thoughts?
For mr also the ratchet clasp was great in the summer. My wrists swole a bit in the heat and releasing the clasp one click made it nice and comfortable again. Of course, Doxa could have used the ratchet clasp on a ricebead bracelet, but I thinbk it was better to use the complete 5000T bracelet. I honestly think it gives more of a substantial tool watch look.
The 5000T bracelet has a vague resemblance to the ricebead...well it does for me looking through one eye with a bandage on the other and doped with meds
The use of Titanium is something many peope have been asking about for some time now. Again I think it is a good choice and brings a really new SUB to the table. Doxa have long been charged with just rehashing the same old thing. A valid point in many ways but when you have such an icon as the SUB you can't do too much without losing that distinct style and form and recognisability. The use of Titanium and Tritiun Tubes in a 750T case is Doxa's way of saying "you asked for the excotic stuff... here it is... but it still is instantly recognisable as a Doxa SUB". The use of Titanium also means that the watch should be significantly lighter than the 750T and depending on the grade of Ti and whatever surface treatment processes used, it should be fairly scratch proof as well.
I believe the increase in height from 14 to 15mm over the standard 750T is to accomodate the diameter of the Tritium tubes. I'd gues at least 0.75mm of that height is purely to accomodate the tubes. I liked the 750T because the caseback was relatively thin and had a large surface area. The SUB 1000T caseback was increased in thickness just to make the watch taller, not because the movement needed to be recessed as was once said....ahhhh, ahhhh,, excuse me I'm going to sneeze again. Just like me many people have caseback openers, it doesn't take much to verify claims.
I like shallower watches with flatter casebacks because they sit in the wrist better, the center of gravity is lower and that makes them more stable. Take a look at the back of an Omega Ploprof if you ever get the chance. It is another iconic dive watch. The back is flatter than a witches tit and ridged. It hugs the wrist and a wetsuit like a limpet. Making casebacks thicker just to increase the height because of a marketing or esthetic reason is taking away from the ethos of being a dive watch and is just pandering to the glitz, and bling boys. The Doxa SUB is without question on of the best dive watches in existance, lets keep it that way.
I like Tritium tubes, so you won't hear me say a bad word about their use on the 800Ti. 12.32 years half life means they will still be glowing strongly long after Superluminova has fallen off the hands and through the date window into the movement.... just kidding... seriously though, i think we can expect great things from the dial and hands when we see a lume shot.
OK that's about it. Bit of a ramble about something we have only seen a few images of. I'm looking forward to the first hands on from people who have ordered one. Get those cameras out boys..... because once again I think Doxa have a real classic on their hands.