Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa
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    Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    Possibly looking to buy this piece being. Im a sucker for vintage German brands.

    Can I get some opinions on the claims made in the listing as shown here? Thank you.

    Manufacturer: Stowa, Germany
    Model: n/a
    Reference: 513342
    Type: Manual-winding wristwatch
    Year of production: ca.1940
    Case type: 3-body, with snap-back, mixed satin and mirror finish. Fixed bars.
    Case material: Steel and stainless steel caseback
    Case measurement: 36 mm (without crown) / 47 mm (lug-to-lug) / 18 mm (between lugs)
    Case serial number: n/a
    Case back: Snap-back, signed ‘Fond Acier Inox’ and with reference number on the outer side of the caseback.
    Crown/pushers: Steel, fluted crown.
    Crystal: Acrylic
    Movement type: Manual-winding with small second hand
    Movement model: Swiss Unitas 173 signed ‘Stowa’.
    Movement serial number: n/a
    Dial: Stunning glossy salmon-pink dial decorated with black printed minutes track, with printed black Art Deco Arabic numerals, signed ‘Stowa’ at 12 o’clock. Seconds subsidiary dial at 6 o’clock.
    Hands: Blue baton hour, minute and second hands.
    Case condition: Untouched, unpolished. 0 (unworn) condition. New-old-stock.
    Movement condition: 0 (unworn) professionally serviced, only original parts. Adjusted and keeps good time. New-old-stock.
    Dial/hands condition: Untouched, all original and mint, new-old-stock.
    Overall condition: 0 (unworn), flawless.
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    Re: Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    Manufacturer: Stowa, Germany
    Model: n/a
    Reference: 513342 wrong, it is the case number
    Type: Manual-winding wristwatch
    Year of production: ca.1940
    Case type: 3-body, with snap-back, mixed satin and mirror finish. Fixed bars.
    Case material: Steel and stainless steel caseback not,completely correct the back is stainless steel = fond acier inox, the case is chrome plated brass, see the marks of "aging"on the left lug
    Case measurement: 36 mm (without crown) / 47 mm (lug-to-lug) / 18 mm (between lugs)
    Case serial number: n/a,see above
    Case back: Snap-back, signed ‘Fond Acier Inox’ and with reference number on the outer side of the caseback.
    Crown/pushers: Steel, fluted crown.
    Crystal: Acrylic
    Movement type: Manual-winding with small second hand
    Movement model: Swiss Unitas 173 signed ‘Stowa’.
    Movement serial number: n/a
    Dial: Stunning glossy salmon-pink dial decorated with black printed minutes track, with printed black Art Deco Arabic numerals, signed ‘Stowa’ at 12 o’clock. Seconds subsidiary dial at 6 o’clock.
    Hands: Blue baton hour, minute and second hands.
    Case condition: Untouched, unpolished. 0 (unworn) condition. New-old-stock.
    Movement condition: 0 (unworn) professionally serviced, only original parts. Adjusted and keeps good time. New-old-stock.
    Dial/hands condition: Untouched, all original and mint, new-old-stock.
    Overall condition: 0 (unworn), flawless.[/QUOTE]
    Last edited by stuffler,mike; January 25th, 2016 at 18:29.
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    Re: Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    Thank you Mike. So some detains aren't correct. I'm always happy to learn here before a purchase and appreciate the help.
    Its definitely not NOS as advertised but I thought it still might be a nice addition for the right price?

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    Re: Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Abbate View Post
    Thank you Mike. So some detains aren't correct. I'm always happy to learn here before a purchase and appreciate the help.
    Its definitely not NOS as advertised but I thought it still might be a nice addition for the right price?
    Well, I would not pay that much but someone has to pay the office rent at Ludwigstraße.
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    Re: Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    His selling price is quite different than his asking...or I wouldn't even be considering it.

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    Re: Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    You have a great eye. It is a very beautiful looking vintage watch. Good luck.
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    Re: Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    Hello Mike,

    that is what makes me believe the watch isn't authentic:
    the case is chrome plated brass,
    You are right, regarding Stowa watches of that era.
    But, the watch offered here has a steel case, brushed or matt grinded! (Pic 2 in this thread and pics 9 to 11 in the original advertising).
    Only the bezel is chrome plated.
    I don't know any Stowa watch with a steel case older than about 50 years,



    Volker


    PS:
    I have to correct myself, sorry.
    My collection does contain Stowa watches of that era with a case made of steel.
    Size, bezel, back and movement comply with the watch shown in the first post. The case's shape differs a little bit.
    Now there is left only the dial, especially the numeral's font (2, 7, 3, 9, etc.) that I cant identify as used by Stowa (all dials werde made by specialized manufacturers). Those wavy and dainty numbers are not the style I know from Stowa.
    Tomorrow I will shoot some pics,


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    Last edited by brainless; January 27th, 2016 at 23:17. Reason: Correcting my misjudgment

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    Re: Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    Here are the (bad quality) pics I just shot.
    This is the watch I described in the post above:
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    Identical size
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    Bezel, case, back:
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    Deepened sub-dial:
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    Surprise! Same number as in the TO's watch back:
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    Three other similar watches:
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    I checked more than 30 watches in my collection - more or less similar, but all from this era and all with that typical sub second's dial: None of them shows those wavy numerals.
    That is the only evidence that makes me doubt.



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    Re: Help Please: Confirm heritage/authenticity of Vintage Stowa

    from the web..examples of 1940's fonts seems to support the use of this more stylized version
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