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    Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    I've got a growing interest in Stowa. What I'm reading shows that the Airman with Date is only about half the cost of the Airman Original, even though the AO does not have a date function, and they appear to be very similar pieces. I see the AO has a modified ETA Unitas vs. the Airman w/Date which has the ETA 2824. Other than that, and the AO being 1 mm larger case size, why is it that the AO is double the cost of the two, even w/o a date feature?

    Second question: I don't suppose there are any of the Stowa MO 80th anniversary LEs left, are there? I love the look of that piece, but wasn't really following Stowa that closely back when it was released.

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    Quote Originally Posted by Timewaster View Post
    I've got a growing interest in Stowa. What I'm reading shows that the Airman with Date is only about half the cost of the Airman Original, even though the AO does not have a date function, and they appear to be very similar pieces. I see the AO has a modified ETA Unitas vs. the Airman w/Date which has the ETA 2824. Other than that, and the AO being 1 mm larger case size, why is it that the AO is double the cost of the two, even w/o a date feature?
    It is the way the Unitas is modified and the time and material you have to invest for that modification. And yes: There is no date which is essential for a Flieger, a Flieger has to have no date. My advice: Read the forum carefully and you will know why all these modifications and why no date is a must for the owners.

    Second question: I don't suppose there are any of the Stowa MO 80th anniversary LEs left, are there? I love the look of that piece, but wasn't really following Stowa that closely back when it was released.
    No pcs. left.

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    I'm on the waiting list for the Flieger Original serial version, and a big part for me is that the manual wind version has more of the authentic features of the original B-Uhr than the automatic version.

    Others have a far better knowledge of this than me but the big one for me is the fact that the original B-Uhrs had a manual wind pocket watch movement (and I think Stowa even used a Unitas movement in their original B-Uhr). I think the stop-at-12 hacking seconds and the modification to convert the pocket watch movement to central seconds were also features of the original B-Uhrs too.

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    My suggestion is to start w/ the airman auto...............it's the icon w/out the higher price tag.

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    I just placed an order for a Stowa Airman automatic w/o date for exactly the reasons that Dr. Robert suggested. It is the closest thing I can get to the original for a reasonable price. I briefly considered an Archimedes, but in the end I wanted to to with an original supplier and what appears to be the better quality of the Stowa.

    One thing is certain, the responsiveness from Stowa has been superb. Now I just have to await delivery, which is scheduled for June (my choice).

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    Thanks everyone for the responses. It's all very interesting. I'll have to look into this some more.

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Robert View Post
    My suggestion is to start w/ the airman auto...............it's the icon w/out the higher price tag.

    I agree with this, too. IMO, fliegers can have dates. Both the Auto w/date and the Airman Original are homages to (not recreations of) the old b-uhrs, so you just have to pick the features you like. I like the convenience of an automatic with a date more than I like having the most faithful homage possible, so that's why I picked the Airman w/date.

    Be sure to let us know what you pick!

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    Yeah, I do have to admit that I like the date feature. When it comes to watches, I consider myself to be kind of a "comtemporary purist" which I know is somewhat of a paradox. Anyway, these Stowas have such a nice clean look to them. I'll definitely have to lurk in this forum more often.

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    I am still wondering why most of the manual wind pilot watches are limited editions or are soo difficult to get. Automatics are everywhere - but not the manulas. Are they made in lower quantities on purpose just to keep the price high? Or the movements are difficult to get? Could anyone explain that? Thanks.

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    Re: Question re: Stowa Airman w/date vs. Airman Original

    Quote Originally Posted by traveller View Post
    I am still wondering why most of the manual wind pilot watches are limited editions or are soo difficult to get. Automatics are everywhere - but not the manulas. Are they made in lower quantities on purpose just to keep the price high? Or the movements are difficult to get? Could anyone explain that? Thanks.
    Others are better informed than me, but my understanding is that the modifications required for the Unitas 6497 in the Flieger Original are not trivial and take quite a lot of time. Although the ETA 2824 movement in the automatic version is nicely finished, as far as I know there are no actual mechanical modifications required to it.

    It may also be a question of the limited availability of the hand wind movements from ETA compared to the automatic ones.

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