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    Any SeaGull love here?

    I read a lot more positive comments towards SeaGull watch movements than I expected last night. The thread was titled something like "SeaGull, as good as swiss movements". I'm guessing all the respect was because it was in the "affordable" forum.

    Over here in the high end world - whats the feeling towards a Chinese SeaGull watch movement?

    Just trying to gain a better pulse of it's actual perception.
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    Re: Any SeaGull love here?

    Something that you have to look out for when one flies overhead; dang, got me!

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    Re: Any SeaGull love here?

    well, there is swiss (eta, sellita) and then there is high-end swiss...AP, Patek, VC, et al. I think a Seagull may be able to provide the same function and service as some swiss movements, but at the high end we are talking about something different altogether.

    But again, this is my perception only.
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    Re: Any SeaGull love here?

    Quote Originally Posted by islands62 View Post
    well, there is swiss (eta, sellita) and then there is high-end swiss...AP, Patek, VC, et al. I think a Seagull may be able to provide the same function and service as some swiss movements, but at the high end we are talking about something different altogether.

    But again, this is my perception only.
    Perception is what I'm after. - no one (sane) is comparing them apples to apples.

    But The real question is - If your friend has one on his wrist - are you assuming it's a pile?

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    Re: Any SeaGull love here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dabon View Post
    Perception is what I'm after. - no one (sane) is comparing them apples to apples.

    But The real question is - If your friend has one on his wrist - are you assuming it's a pile?
    Hmm. I think you are thinking about this the wrong way.

    There is nothing particularly wrong with the movement as far as mass produced movements go. Their QC is a little more spotty than your average Swiss or Japanese though. The biggest problem is how that movement is used, modified/ adjusted, and the fit and finish of the final package.

    Unfortunately, for the legitimate Chinese watch industry, these final packages tend to be low end.

    For example...

    The Same ETA 2824-2 can be used in a cheap Calvin Klein

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    As this objectively much better built Breitling Navimeter 1, adjusted to a Chronometer. Of course the price points do reflect this. (even if this watch is not my style)

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    Going with you question, I would assume the Calvin Klein is a pile, but not the Breitling... even if I do not really like Breitling.

    Sea-Gull has yet to achieve something like this as far as I know (may be different in China?). The watches they go in do not receive the attention to detail, and the movements themselves do not get adjusted and finished to the level of precision one would expect of anything close to "high end"

    When I see a Sea-Gull watch, I perceive it as 'affordable'. Just a cool watch with nice value for money spent if you got the 1963 re-issue.

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    Re: Any SeaGull love here?

    thanks for the perspective.

    I'm sure if SeaGulls were cased up in a Swiss factory they'd gain more esteem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SethThomas View Post
    Hmm. I think you are thinking about this the wrong way.

    There is nothing particularly wrong with the movement as far as mass produced movements go. Their QC is a little more spotty than your average Swiss or Japanese though. The biggest problem is how that movement is used, modified/ adjusted, and the fit and finish of the final package.

    Unfortunately, for the legitimate Chinese watch industry, these final packages tend to be low end.

    For example...

    The Same ETA 2824-2 can be used in a cheap Calvin Klein

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    As this objectively much better built Breitling Navimeter 1, adjusted to a Chronometer. Of course the price points do reflect this. (even if this watch is not my style)

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    Going with you question, I would assume the Calvin Klein is a pile, but not the Breitling... even if I do not really like Breitling.

    Sea-Gull has yet to achieve something like this as far as I know (may be different in China?). The watches they go in do not receive the attention to detail, and the movements themselves do not get adjusted and finished to the level of precision one would expect of anything close to "high end"

    When I see a Sea-Gull watch, I perceive it as 'affordable'. Just a cool watch with nice value for money spent if you got the 1963 re-issue.

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    ps, Is that your SeaGull watch? or just a picture?

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    Re: Any SeaGull love here?

    ^^^
    Note also, the the ETA 2824 in the Calvin Klein, and the one in the Breitling, are probably not exactly the same movement. They come in different grades, with some upgrades to, typically, the balance/escapement assembly and the shock protection. The Breitling is probably "chronometer" grade, the highest. The Calvin Klein is likely a lower grade. (There are 4 for the 2824 - Standard, Elabore, Top, and Chronometer.)

    EDIT to add: Sea Gull is not at all high end. This would be better in the Public Forum.
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    Re: Any SeaGull love here?

    In terms of quality there's a pretty wide range of Swiss watch movements that start out at a pretty high standard and go up from there. With Chinese movements they start at the extreme bottom end and make it to about the point at which most Swiss movements start.

    I have two top grade ETAs and two Seagull ETA clones. Of those 4 watches, all are indistinguishable on the timegrapher and on wrist. I have one of the two Seagull ETA clones on my wrist right now. I set it about 48 hours ago and it's exactly 1 second off right now after 2 days on wrist. My other watch with the same movement is even more accurate on average.

    Seagull has significantly upped their movement game over the past several years in terms of quality. However, in terms of innovation, they are still well behind the Swiss and Seiko.
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    Re: Any SeaGull love here?

    Quote Originally Posted by dbostedo View Post
    ^^^

    EDIT to add: Sea Gull is not at all high end. This would be better in the Public Forum.
    If you discount their tourbillon watches (which definitely aren't high end), the most expensive Seagull watch right now retails for less than $900usd. That being said, I think it's just a matter of time before Seagull starts to tackle the high end market simply because so many high end Swiss watches are going to Asia.

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