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    Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    My Weishi 1000 timegrapher arrived yesterday and I have started doing a basic health check on my collection. So far my SARB017 has returned a crazy high beat error and I have accepted that it needs attention. Moving onto my Certina DS-1 Powermatic 80 - this was acquired used and is no more than 4 years old based on initial release date. It's keeping relatively good time at -8 SPD but the thing concerning me is the amplitude is quite low at 223 degrees and just as I am writing this I have noticed the beat error has jumped way up to 2.2 ms. I have inputted the life angle at 50 degrees as per the ETA 2824-2 which is what the C07.111 is based on.

    Am I rightly concerned about the movement or is the timekeeping rate king here and all is good?

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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    Oh you're going to have a lot of fun with that thing.... I have one too and It can get quite obsessive in the beginning...
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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    Not long someone posted their experience and disappointment when they started “graphing” pieces from their collection. Don’t recall all of the details, but many pieces tested appeared to have accuracy issues. Wonder if blissful ignorance is best for some and forego using a Timegrapher?


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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    Wear the watches.....do they tell the time? If yes then NEVER put them near a timegrapher!
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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    I ultimately used the timegrapher to track accuracy for purposes related to trades and sales, but for personal wear, I got past it fast.


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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    Crisis averted guys, I had the lift angle set to 50 degrees instead of 53 degrees and it made a world of difference. According to my watch guy beat error and daily rate aren't a reliable indicator of serious issues and merely point to a possible regulation being needed - however, amplitude being too low can mean there is a mechanical limitation within the watch.
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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    Problem solved!
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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    Take a look at the dot patterns. They can tell you a lot. A few watchmaker books address what the pattern s are indicative of. It gives a watchmaker a starting reference when a watch comes in for service.
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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    https://www.witschi.com/assets/files...g%20Course.pdf.

    Invaluable resource.

    It's nice to have perfect rates and beat errors, but amplitude and pattern irregularities are the real value of a timegrapher.

    And the timegrapher is not an accurate predictor if a watches performance on your arm or wearing pattern. You wearing the watch the way you do is the best determinate of rate errors and consequent adjustment.
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    Re: Just got a timegrapher...now I'm a paranoid NOOB

    I find my Chinese model to have many inaccuracies...It constantly changes the readings sometimes it's accurate sometimes it's not. Overall can drive you quite crazy. I find im happier with my watches when I don't use it
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