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    FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    When I first saw a FC-710 movement, through a Classics Manufacture's caseback, I thought 'wow, this looks mysterious':
    Two concentric plates cover most of the movement, but, still, it's possible to observe the balance wheel in action (at 6).

    I am not an expert, but it looks very different from the workhorses of the industry, the ETA 2824 (and variants) and Sellita SW200-1 (and variants).

    To my understanding, the Sellita was born as a copy of the ETA because of politics (monopolistic practices, etc.) We know the story; in sum they wanted to offer the exact same quality without depending on the Swatch Group...

    On the other hand, the FC-710 was born as a true manufacture caliber and indending to be different from these 'generic movements', and as such it should be differently constructed, right?
    I know it is still a simple three hand plus date, and at an 'entry price' (from manufactured movements), but it has to be different (let aside 'better'), right?

    Then, what's exactly behind those mysterious plates in my FC-710 and how is it different/better regarding the generic movements?

    All the technical information I was able to find is here: 700 series manufacture | Frederique Constant

    There it states that the in-house movement has the same number of jewels, power reserve and frequency (28.800vph, canonical for the Swiss).
    The only obvious differences seem to be the size (the FC is larger, don't know if that's better, I guess not because all other specs are the same) and the analog display of the date.

    Is it possible to get a technical drawing of an FC-710?
    That would be great.

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    FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    The same thing that I have been wondering. How different is the FC entry In house movement compared to a stock ETA?

    They look similar in many areas and the winding feels the same.

    So is the whole inhouse movement just a gimmick?

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    FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by KazeKei View Post
    They look similar in many areas and the winding feels the same.

    So is the whole inhouse movement just a gimmick?
    This is precisely what I'm wondering.

    Being this an official forum sponsored by the brand, is someone capable to answer in FC behalf?

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    Re: FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    Waiting me too for an answer !

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    Re: FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    Hope to hear some more opinions!

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    Re: FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    I have to be honest, I usually always prefer in house over ETA, but this particular in house doesn't seem to offer any real advantage over the ETA equivalent, other than just being in house. Even the resale value is pretty much just as bad as other FC models.
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    Re: FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    Well, it depends how you see it. At first, what other in house movements on that price range offer more?

    Then, the in house construction might not be an attempt to offer something ''better'' than ETA. It could also be a proof that the company has advanced watch making skills and at the same time an available option for the future, when likely the sourcing of ETA movements will become more difficult.
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    Re: FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    I don't think, that the fc movement has anything in common with eta or sellita movements! maybe they started out with the idea to make something similar

    you have to start somewhere :) imho there is not much, that you can do or reinvent, if u produce a 3 hand automatic with date function

    but for example, the fc movement self winding mechanism is spring loaded, so, if the power reserve is full, the rotor doesn't spin around, like crazy, you maybe know, how noisy a 2824 or 7750 can be....

    for me, the fact, that it has an in house movement, was the main reason, that I bought my alpina startimer!

    you can find an eta or sellita 2824 in any watch from a price range of 400 to over 2000 usd! you know, it's like a honda and a ferrari would have the same engine :D

    if you are interested in the mechanical aspects of a watch, you definetely have to appreciate an in house movement!
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    Re: FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by fortysix View Post
    I don't think, that the fc movement has anything in common with eta or sellita movements! maybe they started out with the idea to make something similar

    you have to start somewhere :) imho there is not much, that you can do or reinvent, if u produce a 3 hand automatic with date function

    but for example, the fc movement self winding mechanism is spring loaded, so, if the power reserve is full, the rotor doesn't spin around, like crazy, you maybe know, how noisy a 2824 or 7750 can be....

    for me, the fact, that it has an in house movement, was the main reason, that I bought my alpina startimer!

    you can find an eta or sellita 2824 in any watch from a price range of 400 to over 2000 usd! you know, it's like a honda and a ferrari would have the same engine :D

    if you are interested in the mechanical aspects of a watch, you definetely have to appreciate an in house movement!
    I know where you coming form but you know... a lot of the seiko's movement e.g.4R35 movement is also inhouse? :D

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    Re: FC-710 vs ETA2824 / SW200-1. Discussing an in-house movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by KazeKei View Post
    I know where you coming form but you know... a lot of the seiko's movement e.g.4R35 movement is also inhouse? :D
    we're talking about swiss movements here ;)
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