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    Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    My wife is insistent on getting a Kate Spade Scallop 2, which seems to be the worst bang-for-buck smartwatch available outside Ali Baba.

    She'll consider something better if it looks like jewellery.

    Any recommendations for decent watches that are also pretty?

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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    My wife used to love Kate Spade purses but now it’s turned into some sort of marketing monster, pretty soon they will be branding car tires

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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    40mm? Has she tried it on?

    That's typical for an Android smartwatch, I guess, but it's still big.

    Better bang-for-the-buck? Honestly, if the wife insists, the wife receives.

    Betcha it comes off the same production line as any Fossil smartwatch anyway.
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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    My wife wears a 16220--I had intended it for me, but once she put it on, she knew nothing else would ever go on her wrist. She never even considered a Rolex prior. Part of it is getting her to try it on and things might change.

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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    I would indulge her considering the universe of things she could be asking for.


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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    For a little less she can get a Samsung Galaxy Watch in 42mm, (but wears smaller), and there is a multitude of aftermarket straps and metal bracelets in the standard 20mm size available to suit her style.

    My daughter wears it with a matching rose gold Milanese most of the time and swaps it out with black leather (mine) or various coloured silicon bands.

    (Images borrowed from the interwebs)

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    So many watches, So little time...
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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    +1 on Samsung.
    It should be special!

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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    This is a copy-paste from my Fossil gen 4 explorist review on amazon... It's long, but a completely honest and unbiased account as a purchasing consumer. I am a fan of the Android, OS and I tried so hard to like WearOS, and promote it on this and other forums. Purchased in December 2018.

    Nope I can not recommend WearOS, regardless of the branded watch containing it.

    1st WearOS update, Mid January 2019
    I took the watch off the over-night charge, it would not turn on. It was simply a blank screen. The WearOS app on my phone said it was trying to connect over bluetooth. I long press the power button hoping to boot-cycle. After a couple tries it did re-boot, where I was greeted with a ~30 minute OS download. During the update it was chugging through battery at a rate of 10% every ~7-8 minutes. I had to leave it on the charger throughout. At no point was I given the option to pause or stop the installation and resume later at a time of my choice. Furthermore I suspect it needed to maintain the wifi connection. Luckily it was a monday morning, and my schedule was wide open so I had time to waste. I do not know what would have happened if I had to leave the house wifi half way through the update procedure. Would it still be functional with half a download? Would it revert back to the last known OS version? Would it brick the watch?

    2nd WearOS update, Mid Ferbruary 2019:
    I was wearing the watch as I normally do during the work week and I noticed I stopped getting bluetooth notifications for text messages. Notifications worked fine for everything else. WearOS on my phone said it was bluetooth connected fine. I cleared cache on the phone, re-booted phone and watch... nothing changed, so I left it alone. Got home in the evening played around with it and realized there was another WearOS update on my phone waiting to download/install. It only took 10 minutes to download and install this time between the phone and watch. As before the watch needed to be plugged into the charger. What's disturbing this time is how a WearOS update waiting on standby to install managed to kill my text message notifications from android messages.

    3rd WearOS update, Early March 2019:
    I took it off the charger one morning and the bluetooth radio did not connect. Even though the watch bluetooth connectivity screen says connected to my phone. WearOS app on my phone only says "Connected"... not "Connected via bluetooth" like it normally does. I try and use the WatchMaker app to change watch faces over bluetooth and it results in a watch not connected warning.

    At that moment I received a gmail message... and I get no notification for that on the watch.

    I checked the Google playstore app and sure enough, there was another update waiting for me to download. It was a quick update, a few minutes and once I did that everything was fine.

    4th WearOS update: March 8, 2019:
    This one went fine and without a hitch. Nothing disconnected on the watch and notifications were uninterrupted. Minor update, took just a few minutes to download and install.

    5th WearOS update: May 24, 2019
    This one was a doozie. It took a good ~10 minutes to download and another 7-8 to install itself. Then it took another ~1 hour to "settle down". During that settle down period my phone ran hot to the touch and WearOS was guzzling the battery, about double the rate of my screen or the next highest consumer. That was not the worst part. The worst part was it could not maintain connection to my watch until later that evening. I have no idea what WearOS was doing but it clearly was struggling, choking and gagging on itself. Once it established connectivity and slowed down battery consumption my phone temperatures dropped back down to normal in the evening. BUT in the process it terminated permission settings with Android Messages. Even though I fully allow ALL permission settings on the watch and phone app. Fortunately another Youtube member instructed me to toggle the permission settings OFF then ON with the watch... and this fixed it. All is well now.

    For whatever reason, WearOS updates waiting to install, remotely disrupt operation of the watch. There is no warning, no heads-up, and many times no option to decline the update or delay it to a latter time of my choice. Out of the blue at random I have a non functioning watch. These are the very same things I did not like about Android Wear, 3-4 years prior. Clearly Google has made no progress improving the ecosystem maintenance.

    For comparison-sakes I have owned an Amazfit stratos literally in parallel with the Fossil, both purchased mid Dec 2018. It received 3-4 updates for the watch or phone app. Over that time that went completely without incident. Amazfit app updated automatically and pushed itself over to the watch via bluetooth. At no point did the watch lose functionality, or if it did it was so seamless and quick enough that I didn't even notice.

    So in all honesty I can NOT openly recommend any WearOS watch. My opinion is its a tech-savy product that I think requires a tech minded mentality to maintain. Its not the ideal product for the general consumer. For the competent Android tech-mind, be forewarned its a LOT like the earliest days of Android, and its predecessor Android Wear... buggy, laggy, unreliable, and you need to be pretty tech-savvy to maintain the ecosystem. You have to find ways to keep the ecosystem running, WearOS does not maintain itself. FWIW I do consider myself to be more tech-competent than most... and WearOS still has me scratching my head on a regular basis.

    I still wear the gen4 explorist on weekends only when the Stratos is on the charger. I like the look and feel of the watch. The OLED display is vibrant and looks awesome with any watch face I install onto it. But given my experience, WearOS maintenance ruins the show.

    UNLIKE an android phone, WearOS updates waiting on standby will terminate basic functions of the watch. This is my biggest complaint.

    Note also my impressions are from an Android phone user. Apple and iPhones are a completely different ecosystem. WearOS is supposed to work with iPhones, but I have no first hand experience with that.

    Someone above said Kate spade watches probably come from the same factory in China as fossil... I agree with this statement. I think Michael Kors watches do too.

    I also agree with the Samsung galaxy recommendation. IIRC costco has a sale on them right now. IMHO the womens version in gold looks stunning too. (and I usually dont like gold watches).
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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    ^^^^^^ The quality of the OS, and all the manufacturer support that comes with it (or doesn’t), is a factor that is far underrated when comparing smartwatch platforms.

    Of course, you kinda have to go with whichever smartphone platform you’re on, unless the choice of watch takes priority. But if the watch’s OS is an unpleasant experience, then it isn’t a good purchase at any price.
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    Re: Save me from a Kate Spade watch

    Quote Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
    ^^^^^^ The quality of the OS, and all the manufacturer support that comes with it (or doesn’t), is a factor that is far underrated when comparing smartwatch platforms.

    Of course, you kinda have to go with whichever smartphone platform you’re on, unless the choice of watch takes priority. But if the watch’s OS is an unpleasant experience, then it isn’t a good purchase at any price.
    Agreed.
    Apple is a clear leader in this regard, but not an option if you don't have an iPhone or like their styling.

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    So many watches, So little time...
    SoOoO many watches, SoOoO little time...


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