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    Vostok Caliber 2414 Service Notes (Very long, many pics.)

    Last weekend, I decided to do a badly needed COA on a 2414 movement. The trouble is, there is no service info available anywhere that I can find. The articles submitted by Marc_wl were very helpful, but I decided to fully disassemble the movements. So, for safety's sake, I documented the disassembly using the camera.

    The next challenge was (of course) the assembly, what to oil, which oil to use, and how much. Again, there are no guidelines.

    What I did was to find data sheets on other movements. I used info available from ETA and Seiko, and took what I learned in the Time Zone Watch School course 1 and 2, and made an educated guess as to what would work for the Vostok.

    After all that, I printed up my notes, and did a COA on another 2414 movement. All in all, using the different junk that seems to accumulate, I was able to to take 3 broken or barely running movements and build 2 that run well.

    It occurred to me that this is a resource that I can share, so here goes. What I ask is that those of you who have watchmaking experience, please critique my choices of assembly, cleaning, and lubrication. If you have any suggestions for different choices that I could have made, please let me know about it. Also, those of you in the know about watch innards, I tried to name each part. If you can think of a better name for a part that is more accurate, descriptive, or conventional, please let me know.

    Also please note, the oils that I used were chosen because they were on hand from my TZWS toolkit, for use in Swiss watches. Your choice of oils may be different depending on what is available in your area.

    For those of you without watchmaking experience, please note that what follows is not a tutorial. These are just my notes, and some visual reminders of what goes where. I do not discuss technique in this article. I would encourage fans of Russian watches to get some formal instruction before attempting this.


    Here goes:

    Service notes
    Boctok caliber 2414
    Dave Murphy




    Dial Side






    Back Side:
    Unwind Barrel
    Remove Stem
    Remove 2 screws and Movement Spacer
    Remove 2 Dial Screws (not seen in this photo)







    Remove Calendar Jumper Spring
    Remove 3 screws and Calendar cover plate

    Note:
    These are Flat head screws








    Remove:
    1.) Calendar Jumper
    2.) Foil
    3.)Hour Wheel
    4.)Date Ring
    5.)intermediate calendar wheel
    6.)screw and Calendar wheel
    7.)Calendar cam (under the calendar wheel)
    8.)screw and Calendar cam spring (under the date ring)









    Remove:
    3 screws and Keyless Cover

    Note:
    These are Cheese head screws









    Remove:
    1.)minute wheel
    2.)setting wheel
    3.)setting yoke spring
    4.)setting yoke
    5.)setting lever
    6.)sliding pinion
    7.)winding pinion








    Remove Cannon Pinion using a pin vise [edit--NEG suggests using a cannon pinion puller instead of the pin vise]





    Remove:
    shock spring
    cap jewel
    balance pivot

    Note: use tool made from pegwood








    Remove:
    1.)The other shock assembly
    2.)Screw, click, and click spring underneath
    3.)screw and ratchet wheel
    4.)Left Hand screw and crown wheel
    5.)screw and seconds hand pinion end spring
    6.)2 screws and wheel train bridge









    Remove:
    1.)Seconds hand pinion
    2.)3rd wheel
    3.)4th wheel
    4.)3 screws and winding bridge






    Remove:
    1.)center wheel
    2.)escape wheel
    3.)stem release button
    4.)mainspring Barrel
    5.)1 screw and balance assembly

    Note: 6 screws (3-winding bridge, 2-train bridge, 1-balance cock) are identical








    Remove:
    1.) 1 screw and pallet lever bridge
    2.) pallet lever








    Boctok 2414
    Cleaning and Oiling notes
    Dave Murphy

    Cleaned in ultrasonic cleaner, in 3 beakers.
    Cleaning: 2 cycles in L&R Extra Fine Watch Cleaning Solution
    First Rinse: 1 cycle in L&R Ultrasonic Watch Rinsing Solution
    Final Rinse: 1 cycle in L&R Ultrasonic Watch Rinsing Solution

    1 load: Entire keyless, setting, and calendar works EXCEPT day ring
    1 Load: Motion works
    1 load; all plates and bridges
    1 load: Balance assembly, alone

    After final rinse:
    Balance assembly, balance pierced and cap jewels, shock assemblies rinsed in “One Dip” hairspring cleaner.

    Oiling strategy:

    Moebius 9010 on low-load jeweled pivots
    Moebius 9020 on medium-load jeweled pivots
    Moebius D-5 on high-load jeweled pivots
    Moebius 9415 on pallet stones
    Moebius 8141 in the mainspring barrel
    PML Stem Grease for metal-to-metal sliding contact

    Oiling amounts:
    Using the black oiler,
    Light = dipped to a depth 1/3 of the oiler’s width.
    Medium= dipped to a depth 2/3 of the oiler’s width.
    Heavy= dipped to a depth equal to the oiler’s width.

    Unless noted, use light to medium oiling on the black oiler.



    Boctok 2414 Assembly and Oiling
    Dave Murphy





    Assemble:
    Arbor to Mainspring using pin vise (inset)
    Wind spring into barrel

    Lubricate:
    Barrel floor, 8141, yellow oiler medium-heavy
    Mainspring coils, 8141, yellow oiler, medium heavy

    Assemble:
    Barrel cover

    Lubricate:
    Barrel arbor, D5, (both sides) (inset)






    Assemble:
    Pallet Lever
    Pallet lever bridge and 1 screw

    Lubricate:
    Pallet lever pivots, 9010, very light or none at all. (both sides) [edit--lysanderxiii suggests no lubrication here.]




    Identification of wheels:







    Assemble:
    Mainspring Barrel (inset)
    Center Wheel (inset)
    The Stem Release Button! (inset)

    Winding Bridge and 3 screws

    Lubricate:
    Center wheel jewels, D-5, (both sides)
    Barrel Arbors, D-5 heavy, both sides




    Assemble:
    Escape wheel
    4th wheel
    3rd wheel

    Wheel train Bridge and 2 screws (inset)

    Lubricate:
    Escape wheel pivots 9010 both sides
    4th wheel pivots 9010 both sides
    3rd wheel pivots 9020 both sides




    Assemble:
    Seconds hand pinion

    Lubricate:
    bearing surface, underside of seconds hand pinion spring, D-5
    surface under click, 9010

    Assemble:
    seconds hand pinion spring and 1 screw
    ratchet wheel and 1 screw
    click spring
    click and 1 screw
    crown wheel

    Lubricate:
    click post 9010
    crown wheel post D-5
    crown wheel bushing D-5

    Assemble:
    Left hand screw to crown wheel




    Flip to the dial side of the movement.

    Lubricate pallet stones, Light 9415, on impulse surfaces only. Access is through the 2 rectangular holes.




    Assemble:
    balance assembly, 1 screw




    Lubricate cap jewel, medium heavy, to cover 1/2 to 2/3 of cap jewel (inset)

    Assemble pierced jewel to cap jewel
    assemble shock assemblies with pegwood tool.

    At this point, movement should run. Put a screwdriver in the screw holding the ratchet wheel, and wind.








    Lubricate:
    Stem pivot, PML
    Stem clutch square, PML
    Stem set lever notch, PML
    Stem shoulder, PML

    Assemble:
    Stem
    Sliding Clutch Pinion
    Winding Pinion

    Lubricate:
    Sliding Clutch pinion slot, PML
    Sliding Clutch pinion Breguet teeth, PML
    Winding Pinion Breguet teeth, PML






    Lubricate:
    Seconds hand pinion, 9010
    Center wheel post, PML [edit--NEG suggests D5 here]

    Install Cannon pinion using pin vise





    Lubricate with PML:
    Stem Release button
    Post for setting yoke
    Post for minute wheel
    Post for setting wheel

    Assemble:
    minute wheel
    setting wheel
    setting lever
    setting yoke
    setting yoke spring

    Lubricate with PML:
    "heel" of setting yoke
    post on setting lever
    side of setting lever where keyless cover springs against it
    edge of setting lever where it touches the setting yoke

    Assemble:
    Keyless cover and 3 screws. (inset)
    note: hook the cover spring on to the post on the setting lever





    Lubricate outside of Cannon pinion, D-5 [edit--NEG suggests 9020 here]

    Lubricate with PML:
    post for intermediate calendar wheel
    under calendar cam
    post for date ring jumper

    assemble:
    Hour Wheel
    Dial Foil (not shown)
    intermediate calendar wheel
    calendar cam
    date ring jumper

    Lubricate with PML:
    top of calendar wheel
    hub+shoulder of calendar wheel screw

    Install:
    date wheel jumper
    calendar wheel with 1 screw
    calendar cam spring and 1 screw





    Lubricate:
    2 or 3 teeth of the date ring, PML

    Assemble:
    Date ring,
    Calendar cover and 3 screws
    calendar jumper spring





    put a dial and hands on, and see how it runs...
    Last edited by Dave Murphy; February 12th, 2010 at 17:33. Reason: re-linked photos

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    Re: Vostok Caliber 2414 Service Notes (Very long, many pics.)

    Hi I'm a new member and just happened to see you worked on a 2414. I just picked up one of these at a Goodwill store. Wouldn't wind up. Found that the end of the main spring reverse catch had separated. The reverse catch was originally spot welded to the main spring and this spot weld came loose. My fix was to anneal the end of the main spring and bend it back 180 degrees with a little bit of the tip bent outward to catch on the barrel, I then did a re-harden rewound the spring into the barrel and viola it's like new. Not a bad looking watch. palletstone

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Murphy View Post
    Last weekend, I decided to do a badly needed COA on a 2414 movement. The trouble is, there is no service info available anywhere that I can find. The articles submitted by Marc_wl were very helpful, but I decided to fully disassemble the movements. So, for safety's sake, I documented the disassembly using the camera.

    The next challenge was (of course) the assembly, what to oil, which oil to use, and how much. Again, there are no guidelines.

    What I did was to find data sheets on other movements. I used info available from ETA and Seiko, and took what I learned in the Time Zone Watch School course 1 and 2, and made an educated guess as to what would work for the Vostok.

    After all that, I printed up my notes, and did a COA on another 2414 movement. All in all, using the different junk that seems to accumulate, I was able to to take 3 broken or barely running movements and build 2 that run well.

    It occurred to me that this is a resource that I can share, so here goes. What I ask is that those of you who have watchmaking experience, please critique my choices of assembly, cleaning, and lubrication. If you have any suggestions for different choices that I could have made, please let me know about it. Also, those of you in the know about watch innards, I tried to name each part. If you can think of a better name for a part that is more accurate, descriptive, or conventional, please let me know.

    Also please note, the oils that I used were chosen because they were on hand from my TZWS toolkit, for use in Swiss watches. Your choice of oils may be different depending on what is available in your area.

    For those of you without watchmaking experience, please note that what follows is not a tutorial. These are just my notes, and some visual reminders of what goes where. I do not discuss technique in this article. I would encourage fans of Russian watches to get some formal instruction before attempting this.


    Here goes:

    Service notes
    Boctok caliber 2414
    Dave Murphy




    Dial Side






    Back Side:
    Unwind Barrel
    Remove Stem
    Remove 2 screws and Movement Spacer
    Remove 2 Dial Screws (not seen in this photo)







    Remove Calendar Jumper Spring
    Remove 3 screws and Calendar cover plate

    Note:
    These are Flat head screws








    Remove:
    1.) Calendar Jumper
    2.) Foil
    3.)Hour Wheel
    4.)Date Ring
    5.)intermediate calendar wheel
    6.)screw and Calendar wheel
    7.)Calendar cam (under the calendar wheel)
    8.)screw and Calendar cam spring (under the date ring)









    Remove:
    3 screws and Keyless Cover

    Note:
    These are Cheese head screws









    Remove:
    1.)minute wheel
    2.)setting wheel
    3.)setting yoke spring
    4.)setting yoke
    5.)setting lever
    6.)sliding pinion
    7.)winding pinion








    Remove Cannon Pinion using a pin vise [edit--NEG suggests using a cannon pinion puller instead of the pin vise]





    Remove:
    shock spring
    cap jewel
    balance pivot

    Note: use tool made from pegwood








    Remove:
    1.)The other shock assembly
    2.)Screw, click, and click spring underneath
    3.)screw and ratchet wheel
    4.)Left Hand screw and crown wheel
    5.)screw and seconds hand pinion end spring
    6.)2 screws and wheel train bridge









    Remove:
    1.)Seconds hand pinion
    2.)3rd wheel
    3.)4th wheel
    4.)3 screws and winding bridge






    Remove:
    1.)center wheel
    2.)escape wheel
    3.)stem release button
    4.)mainspring Barrel
    5.)1 screw and balance assembly

    Note: 6 screws (3-winding bridge, 2-train bridge, 1-balance cock) are identical








    Remove:
    1.) 1 screw and pallet lever bridge
    2.) pallet lever








    Boctok 2414
    Cleaning and Oiling notes
    Dave Murphy

    Cleaned in ultrasonic cleaner, in 3 beakers.
    Cleaning: 2 cycles in L&R Extra Fine Watch Cleaning Solution
    First Rinse: 1 cycle in L&R Ultrasonic Watch Rinsing Solution
    Final Rinse: 1 cycle in L&R Ultrasonic Watch Rinsing Solution

    1 load: Entire keyless, setting, and calendar works EXCEPT day ring
    1 Load: Motion works
    1 load; all plates and bridges
    1 load: Balance assembly, alone

    After final rinse:
    Balance assembly, balance pierced and cap jewels, shock assemblies rinsed in “One Dip” hairspring cleaner.

    Oiling strategy:

    Moebius 9010 on low-load jeweled pivots
    Moebius 9020 on medium-load jeweled pivots
    Moebius D-5 on high-load jeweled pivots
    Moebius 9415 on pallet stones
    Moebius 8141 in the mainspring barrel
    PML Stem Grease for metal-to-metal sliding contact

    Oiling amounts:
    Using the black oiler,
    Light = dipped to a depth 1/3 of the oiler’s width.
    Medium= dipped to a depth 2/3 of the oiler’s width.
    Heavy= dipped to a depth equal to the oiler’s width.

    Unless noted, use light to medium oiling on the black oiler.



    Boctok 2414 Assembly and Oiling
    Dave Murphy





    Assemble:
    Arbor to Mainspring using pin vise (inset)
    Wind spring into barrel

    Lubricate:
    Barrel floor, 8141, yellow oiler medium-heavy
    Mainspring coils, 8141, yellow oiler, medium heavy

    Assemble:
    Barrel cover

    Lubricate:
    Barrel arbor, D5, (both sides) (inset)






    Assemble:
    Pallet Lever
    Pallet lever bridge and 1 screw

    Lubricate:
    Pallet lever pivots, 9010, very light or none at all. (both sides) [edit--lysanderxiii suggests no lubrication here.]




    Identification of wheels:







    Assemble:
    Mainspring Barrel (inset)
    Center Wheel (inset)
    The Stem Release Button! (inset)

    Winding Bridge and 3 screws

    Lubricate:
    Center wheel jewels, D-5, (both sides)
    Barrel Arbors, D-5 heavy, both sides




    Assemble:
    Escape wheel
    4th wheel
    3rd wheel

    Wheel train Bridge and 2 screws (inset)

    Lubricate:
    Escape wheel pivots 9010 both sides
    4th wheel pivots 9010 both sides
    3rd wheel pivots 9020 both sides




    Assemble:
    Seconds hand pinion

    Lubricate:
    bearing surface, underside of seconds hand pinion spring, D-5
    surface under click, 9010

    Assemble:
    seconds hand pinion spring and 1 screw
    ratchet wheel and 1 screw
    click spring
    click and 1 screw
    crown wheel

    Lubricate:
    click post 9010
    crown wheel post D-5
    crown wheel bushing D-5

    Assemble:
    Left hand screw to crown wheel




    Flip to the dial side of the movement.

    Lubricate pallet stones, Light 9415, on impulse surfaces only. Access is through the 2 rectangular holes.




    Assemble:
    balance assembly, 1 screw




    Lubricate cap jewel, medium heavy, to cover 1/2 to 2/3 of cap jewel (inset)

    Assemble pierced jewel to cap jewel
    assemble shock assemblies with pegwood tool.

    At this point, movement should run. Put a screwdriver in the screw holding the ratchet wheel, and wind.








    Lubricate:
    Stem pivot, PML
    Stem clutch square, PML
    Stem set lever notch, PML
    Stem shoulder, PML

    Assemble:
    Stem
    Sliding Clutch Pinion
    Winding Pinion

    Lubricate:
    Sliding Clutch pinion slot, PML
    Sliding Clutch pinion Breguet teeth, PML
    Winding Pinion Breguet teeth, PML






    Lubricate:
    Seconds hand pinion, 9010
    Center wheel post, PML [edit--NEG suggests D5 here]

    Install Cannon pinion using pin vise





    Lubricate with PML:
    Stem Release button
    Post for setting yoke
    Post for minute wheel
    Post for setting wheel

    Assemble:
    minute wheel
    setting wheel
    setting lever
    setting yoke
    setting yoke spring

    Lubricate with PML:
    "heel" of setting yoke
    post on setting lever
    side of setting lever where keyless cover springs against it
    edge of setting lever where it touches the setting yoke

    Assemble:
    Keyless cover and 3 screws. (inset)
    note: hook the cover spring on to the post on the setting lever





    Lubricate outside of Cannon pinion, D-5 [edit--NEG suggests 9020 here]

    Lubricate with PML:
    post for intermediate calendar wheel
    under calendar cam
    post for date ring jumper

    assemble:
    Hour Wheel
    Dial Foil (not shown)
    intermediate calendar wheel
    calendar cam
    date ring jumper

    Lubricate with PML:
    top of calendar wheel
    hub+shoulder of calendar wheel screw

    Install:
    date wheel jumper
    calendar wheel with 1 screw
    calendar cam spring and 1 screw





    Lubricate:
    2 or 3 teeth of the date ring, PML

    Assemble:
    Date ring,
    Calendar cover and 3 screws
    calendar jumper spring





    put a dial and hands on, and see how it runs...

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    Re: Vostok Caliber 2414 Service Notes (Very long, many pics.)

    Replied to thread just to give it some exposure. What a great service!

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