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    Please end up being the go to guy for getting some new hairsprings for disco'd watches.

    I'm in the need of getting some and hate scrapping perfectly good watches for parts.

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    I do not want to mention the number of clocks, pocket watches and wrist watches I have, but there are many. Guess what, ALL of them are unnecessary! I already have the time in my car, in the smartphone, in the microwave oven and and and...

    What's the use of a (vintage) mechanical watch which, even at the price level of 25,000 Dollars, cannot compete with a $ 19,99 radio controlled quartz watch from Hong Kong. Not to speak of the ugly debris you usually buy and bring into your house with used cases and wrist bands. A watch collector can certainly give the appropriate answer, the answer we all know ourselves.

    It is the same thing with watch tools. Do we really need them or all of them? Some of my Bergeon tools will never amortize. Instead of buying them, I could occasionally fly in a watchmaker from Switzerland to make the few jobs I do with some of them and would save money (slightly exaggerated, I have to admit).

    These (expensive) tools are part of my hobby, and testing devices (starting with a time scale) really give you a deeper insight into the complications and techniques of a watch and of course the state it is in. Many of the watches, often described as ‘running well, but accuracy not tested’, come to the market because they have been sorted out after been inspected with professional tools. Repair tools (I have very limited knowledge and equipment there) are another thing, but a decent set of screw drivers or tweezers etc. are an absolute must.

    And if I want to save on good tools, I better save on my watch collection as well and stick with my Casio Quartz Radio Controlled Solar Power watch (much cheaper than most watches I have in the vintage collection). The atomic clock behind the signals gives me the time to an accuracy of +/- 1 second in 40 million years. The second generation of the primary atomic clocks are now accurate to +/- 1 second in 150 million years (and that is not the end yet). As the time is related to the rotation of the Earth, which is getting slower and slower (400 million years ago, the year had 398 days and a day had about 22 hours), there are official ‘leap seconds’ to correct this, the last one was on the 30th of June this year, which I automatically got corrected on my Casio, not to speak of summer and winter time.

    Why should I fiddle around with some of my mechanical watches with day/date and moon phase, every time a month has less then 31 days? A non watch collector will call this a waste of time compared to what is available on the market of modern quartz watches. But a non watch collector will never look down on some of my verge watches (I have occasionally shown some of them here in the forum) which were already ticking when Mozart was alive and composing. He would probably long for an unaffordable wrist watch, because Tom Cruise owns one of that specific type, without really knowing what goes on inside (I mean the non watch collector, Tom Cruise is more educated in this respect).

    I recently went to a watchmaking seminar, intended for beginners, and we also had a look into a workplace of watchmakers and watch restorers. I was fascinated by the tools and their workplaces as such. Yes, they do not work on cut out plastic mats, but on the light green pads which have a famous name printed in the lower right corner.

    Above all, I was fascinated by the testing instruments, whereby I have to admit that I compromised on make and price of my time scale, like on other things I have in cheaper versions myself.

    It was interesting to learn, that amongst watchmakers, the specialists adjusting watches to the finest degree have the highest admiration among their colleagues. They are the violin soloists in a top orchestra, and one of the tools they are using is the hairspring vibrator.

    Oh my, Christmas and my birthday are shortly ahead, perhaps a good time to explain to my wife why I urgently need another tool.
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    Re: Hairsprings vibrator

    Quote Originally Posted by Snakepottery View Post
    Just bought a reasonably priced hairspring vibrator of eBay!
    All I need now is some hairsprings and the knowledge of how to use it!!

    "All the gear and no idea"

    I'll report back as to whether it was a good deal or a waste of money!

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    aaah you meant luthy tool
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    Luthy Tool | Taylor Horology
    The mark of a True Watchmaker- Forming Hairsprings Part 2- Vibrating the spring using a Luthy Tool - Raul Horology
    Second Semester Final Project-Vibrating a Hairspring | watchmaking journey

    and i would strongly suggest the wostep chronometry course


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    japan movements: 3
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    According to above experience grades(smallest 0-5 highest) my advice can be incorect or completely out of mind, so beware and take my advices with caution if the grade is low!!!

    NOT FOR SALE !!!

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    Re: Hairsprings vibrator

    Quote Originally Posted by teatimecrumpet View Post
    Please end up being the go to guy for getting some new hairsprings for disco'd watches. I'm in the need of getting some and hate scrapping perfectly good watches for parts. Sent from my LGLS660 using Tapatalk
    What calibers do you need?

    Be advised that the market starts at $100 U.S. for vibrating.

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    Border,
    You have made me feel a whole lot better!
    Very eloquently put!
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    Re: Hairsprings vibrator

    One thing to keep in mind when shopping for *expensive* hairspring vibrating tools like Luthy-Hirt. Some of them tend to have rusty hairsprings. If it's a small spot of rust, it's probably ok, however, if rusting is extensive, it's pretty much useless, unless it is to be only enjoyed as an eye candy.

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    Re: Hairsprings vibrator

    The HS vibrator arrived and is rather good! In pretty good condition although the balance didnt swing as long as it should. I stripped it and cleaned the jewel holes and endcaps (they were pretty gooey) re oiled and now it is spot on!

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    I've had a play around with a couple of balances and it seems fine. I could do with a larger balance to get the hang of using it.
    Still, well pleased!

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