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    Question ETA Clones/Approximations

    I've been hanging out on F71 long enough to know that there are at least a handful of preferred alternatives to the ETA 2824 movement. Ones that immediately come to mind:

    Sellita SW200
    SeaGull ST2136
    Miyota 8215 / 9015
    Soprod A10

    There may be others...the question then becomes...is any one of these clones superior in terms of build and reliability? Also, I apologize if this is ignoring some old thread about it...no searches turned anything up. My question is...all other things being equal, would you be more inclined to buy a micro brand such as a Halios if they used something other than Miyota for instance? Is it that big of a deal ultimately, or is QC solid across the board?
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    Peacock SL3000 - compared with an old 2824 and a new st2130 here
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    I don't (knowingly) have experience of the Soprod or Seagull, but I don't think I'd think much differently about having a Sellita SW200 or Miyota 9015 instead of a 2824-2.

    I'd expect to pay about the same for the Sellita and a bit less for the Miyota (because it won't be 'Swiss Made'), but I wouldn't have a strong preference either way.

    The 8215 is not in the same league.
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    Re: ETA Clones/Approximations

    I have a handful of 2824s, a couple 9015s, and one ST2136.

    Honestly, I can not tell the difference. Even the fabled Miyota "marble in a pop can" noise is barely discernible, and I (think I) can still hear. I guess time will tell with respect to reliability, but even that is a bit of a crapshoot. Reading stories on the internet does not give you any sort of reliable sample size to determine whether there are actually reliability issues, and even then, there are WAY too many variable between manufacturers, end users and watch designs to draw any useful conclusions.

    In short, I don't really care at all if a movement is Swiss Made or not, and in the increasingly global economy, I don't think it makes sense for anybody to care much. Beyond history, and possibly elitism, it just doesn't matter much any more.
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    Plus with the Swiss-branded movements especially you can order different grades. How much of a functional difference that makes vs. purely aesthetic is open for debate.

    The 8215 is fine. I'd buy a watch with one, but I'm not kidding myself that it's an equivalent movement. I don't necessarily mind not having to pay pricing premiums when it's not necessary though.

    I see criticism of watches that have enough non-Japanese content to be marked as "made in XYZ country" but use a Miyota or SII movement and get raked over the coals for it. I don't really think that criticism is necessary.

    In the non-affordable watch market, there seems to maybe be some prejudice against Sellita as "just cloning ETA", which I likewise believe to be unfair.
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    Looking at the comparison Der Amf posted up above, the biggest issue is perhaps QC. It'd be interesting to see who wound up with winners and losers of the same variants. It would take some time and fiddling to get to the bottom of that sort of thing though, I suspect.

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    Buy Chinese, pay for a reliable service . . . are you up or down? ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Amf View Post
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    Prefer the SB1 myself.
    Unsure where/what base though.
    Bi-directional winding; positive and easily found date change position; smooth handwind; solid feel to the crown.
    Probably not an ETA clone then ;)

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    Buy Chinese, LEARN AND DIY service ... definitely up

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