What about before knowing the “facts”, let say the person purchased one 2 years ago. Did they have integrity when making the purchase? And what about after learning the facts 2 years later... what should they do to maintain their integrity???
If you were deceived, no harm no foul. If you knowingly supported a deceitful business, I think that's a poor thing to do on behalf of the industry.
On the contrary, your opinion is very well-stated.
Markets are markets and the freedom to value things of all sorts is the privilege of those willing to part with other things of value; I would never argue this. I have a strong bias which I willingly admit to, derived only from standing in an active market that was entirely stocked with fakes - blatantly forged, brand-labeled replicas, manufactured as such. No pretense, no excuses. Forgeries. It is from this manufacturing center that one could reasonably conclude the seed capital [at least] and possibly current funding and manufacturing support occurs with regard to Ginault. That is a show-stopper.
It's more than a little ironic that a product synonymous with it's country of origin ("Swiss Made" watches), is supported by anyone who claims a serious interest and enjoyment from that which only HONEST capitalism has made possible, by supplanting a forgery and it's money chain for the genuine article - in this case, an iconic timepiece.
Aside: Just today, a new Submariner came up with my name on it... I'm quite serious and it will read as "convenient" for the purpose of my pedantic post, above, but it's true. If I buy it, I wonder if in a year or two someone might say: "Hey Dude, nice Ginault..."
Is that deceitful on the part of Rolex????
My answer: yes.
Sharper Image moonphase, Ronda 708 quartz (my only watch for 20+ years)
Citizen BM8242-08E Ecodrive, black dial, gold-tone case
Citizen AP1042-03A Ecodrive moonphase, white dial, gold-tone case
Sartego Ocean Master SPA27, yellow dial, Miyota 8215
Christopher Ward C5 Aviator Mark I, black dial, ETA 2824
Chinese Mechanical Forum 2011 project watch, moonphase, Sea-Gull ST25
Casio G-Shock AWGM100B-1A, analog solar atomic
Kadloo Scubamarine, black dial, ETA 2824
Aevig Huldra, orange dial, Miyota 9015
Makara Hawksbill Sea Turtle, bronze case, maroon dial, Seiko NH35
Ginault Ocean Rover, black dial, Ginault 7275
Boldr Odyssey, white dial, Seiko NH35
Borealis Portus Cale, white dial, Miyota 9015
Hamtun Neon, full-lume dial, STP 1-11
Vratislavia Conceptum Pan-Africa, green dial, Miyota 9015
Vostoc Classica, white dial, Vostoc 2409.01
Grails: RGM 801-PS-CE, GO PanoMaticLunar, ALS 1815 moonphase LE
Guys, let's drop the near-attack with your back and forth. Dial it back, please. You've made your points, both of you, now it's time to move on from that.
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“Dude use factories that perpetuate legal trade.” Again, wrt to Ginault what proof is there? With respect to previous reps, the manufacture of replica items is not considered illegal within China, and copying is part of the culture. Taking on of parts manufacture for multiple companies is common and there’s bound to be some bleed through of product that is considered illegal in the west. (If you thing watches are bad, check out the guitar industry). In other words, just because a factory in a far off land that has totally different beliefs and values than yours, sometimes produces something YOU as a westerner consider illegal, you CANNOT tarnish the manufacturer. They are working with integrity within the morals and ethics of their society and governance and you cannot unilaterally impose yours.
“Dude lies, no, not just fancifies or over eggs the omelette, outright lies, to make his product more desirable.” As far as the Ginault website goes I don’t think there is anything there can be stated as an outright lie. Stretching the truth? Probably, but that’s what marketing and advertising is all about. With respect to off-web-site conversations and communications there indeed looks like there are some mistruths, especially regarding Tsung Chi’s involvement. However Joe Shopper at his website wouldn’t be expected to know that. And as far as delivering the promise of what is promoted on the website, again what conclusively has been proven false?
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