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    Re: A brand new SB18 movement from Beijing

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f72/eve...te-928062.html

    Ah. So the new Everest does have the modded SB18.
    Sorry only just re-found this thread.

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    Re: A brand new SB18 movement from Beijing

    Any of you guys time the performance of the SB18-3 (or if there are any SB18-6 out there) watches - eg Beihai, Zhufeng?

    The Beijing people told me the specs of the movement, but I'm curious to hear real-life reports. I've never bothered myself to be honest - there is no greater luxury then having time :)

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    Re: A brand new SB18 movement from Beijing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ric Capucho View Post
    You got a link to the BJWAF tmall store, Dave?

    I *did* find these new SB18-engined watches on the bjqiaohanmei Taobao store. No seconds hand at all, which resolves the sub-seconds point in a way. Roman numerals not my thing, but I have to admit it's a handsome beast anyway:

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    Looks to be CNY 8,800 rrp, and CNY 6,688 with the usual discounts. That's $1,400 and $1,100 respectively. Looks like BJWAF have realised what they're truly worth, and the days of an inhouse handwind movement for only $300 are drawing to a close.

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    Completely agree with you Ric, folks have got to realise how much a truly in-house watch costs to produce (don't forget 2 million USD and 2 years investment for the movement - for the SB18 it was more than 4 years. In Switzerland it would cost slightly more) with its R&D and the tooling needed. From what I was told, many of the lesser SB18s are installed in the lower-priced SB18-powered Beijing watches. That's not a problem for those who've bought the Zhufeng as 300 USD for a watch of such quality is just unheard of. It feels and looks better than the IWC Portuguese for example.

    Consider how much an in-house Swiss or German (who position themselves as having better value than the Swiss) watch would cost? Ignore those in-house brands that use a self-manufactured but bought-in design (Nomos etc with the Peseux 7001).

    A basic 2 or 3 hand JLC or GO in steel goes for about 9000 USD, depending on model. Those are the kind of watches a Beijing Beihai should be compared to, especially if you consider the Beihai has a higher-quality dial than the JLC (eg the Reverso) and better finished movement with more time spent on it (compare the SB18 with the JLC cal 818).

    By the way, no hate to Nomos and JLC of course. Two of my most highly-respected brands on the market, for their simple lack (for the most part anyway) of marketing BS.

    If you compare the movement of the Nomos Peseux 7001 movement (it would basically be an ETA ebauche if they did not make the baseplate in-house) to the SB18, you can see that even at 1000 USD (which is slightly cheaper than the cheapest Nomos), the SB18 watches Ric mentions are superior in movement decoration and architecture. Think about how much the cheapest 3/4 plate watch from Germany would be (GO).
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    Re: A brand new SB18 movement from Beijing

    Quote Originally Posted by monsieurxu View Post
    Any of you guys time the performance of the SB18-3 (or if there are any SB18-6 out there) watches - eg Beihai, Zhufeng?

    The Beijing people told me the specs of the movement, but I'm curious to hear real-life reports. I've never bothered myself to be honest - there is no greater luxury then having time :)
    I did time the ZhuFeng when I just got it. After wearing it for a few days, it was on average +1.5 seconds per 24 hours. The power reserve was very good, something like 50+ hours, but I have to verify to be sure.
    The BeiHai is slightly faste, but I never checked. I usually wear a watch for 2 days at most and have to reset it anyway.

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    Re: A brand new SB18 movement from Beijing

    Quote Originally Posted by monsieurxu View Post
    ... apparently the one in my watch is a newly-designed SB18, which is just starting to be produced and has not yet (or will never be - still unclear) been installed on the latest batches of the Beihai and Zhufeng.

    According to them, the reliability and accuracy of this latest iteration is much better than the previous one. .....
    I'm on the fence about getting the Beihai 50th anniversary. How much better is the newly-designed SB-18? I seem to recall seeing some Beihai that weren't anniversary editions (China Made instead of Make in China IIRC).

    Any guidance?
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    Re: A brand new SB18 movement from Beijing

    Quote Originally Posted by monsieurxu View Post
    Guys, recently I noticed a few differences between the SB18 movement in my enamel dial watch and the one in the Beihai. The positions of the gold chatons is different and the 3/4 plate is aligned differently.

    So a quick text message to the Beijing manager and apparently the one in my watch is a newly-designed SB18, which is just starting to be produced and has not yet (or will never be - still unclear) been installed on the latest batches of the Beihai and Zhufeng.

    According to them, the reliability and accuracy of this latest iteration is much better than the previous one. I also think it looks better as the 3/4 plate is now straighter and looks better with Chinese characters engraved on it, like a scroll. Beijing also said my CELADON Imperials made by them will have this new movement, which definitely made my day.

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    The movement on my Beijing Behai that I received 2 weeks ago is identical to the one in your photo. The literature that came with the watch said it is an SB18-3
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    Re: A brand new SB18 movement from Beijing

    Quote Originally Posted by mpalmer View Post
    The movement on my Beijing Behai that I received 2 weeks ago is identical to the one in your photo. The literature that came with the watch said it is an SB18-3
    Was that the limited edition? Who'd you buy it from? Can you post or PM the details (or just vaguely point in the right direction)?

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