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    Re: CLASSIC SUBMARINER LOVERS - GINAULT OCEAN-ROVER 181070GSLN

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhorya View Post
    The answer to the problem may be to have a watchsmith or jeweler swap out the movement for a genuine eta automatic. Then just move on with it.
    If/when it stops again, that’s exactly what I plan on doing. Still that’s something which should be totally unnecessary at this price point. Back in the day, I’ve had $25 Timex automatics give better service.

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    Re: CLASSIC SUBMARINER LOVERS - GINAULT OCEAN-ROVER 181070GSLN

    Quote Originally Posted by DMiller View Post
    On June 24 of last year, after much time spent reading reviews and comments about Ginault watches, I decided to treat myself, take the plunge and order one of their Ocean Rover models, specifically a 180165C1LN. It was ordered and paid for with the understanding that it needed to me made, and would take several weeks to be assembled, calibrated and shipped. No problem, this was the watch I really wanted, they were offering 22% discount at that time, I liked the looks (Rolex Submariner homage) and felt it would be worth the wait. Paying it off over 6 months no interest through PayPay was a bonus as well.

    In late July, my watch shipped and after removing a few links from the band, was wearing a fine timepiece. Amazingly accurate for an automatic. According to the Toolwatch app, no more than +-2 seconds a day. Significantly better than any other automatic I have ever owned (Seikos, Hamilton, Egard, etc). The only watch I have ever owned that was anywhere close, was a Citizen EcoDrive. Plus it looked awesome. As I have stated- this is not my first automatic watch. It was never worn in any type of physical activity. Worn primarily on weekends, or for meetings. A dress watch. It never got wet, or had been abused in any way. Babied if anything. It was not stored on a winder, according to the manufacturers instructions, but left to wind down when not in use, and simply shake it a few times to get the movement started.

    On September 27, the watch stopped working. Totally dead. There was resistance manually winding it, and the time and date could be set. Shaking, a few winds on the stem, nothing would start the movement working. I shot an email off to the manufacture, explaining what happened, and asked what I should do. I received a very prompt and apologetic reply stating to send it back in and they would have a look at it. Repair time was listed at about 8 weeks. Return shipping was at my expense.

    On November 25, I inquired as to the status of my watch, and was told that repairs were on schedule and should be completed within a week.

    On December 6, the watch was back in my hands, again keeping amazingly accurate time. That is until December 9, when the movement completed stopped once again. Another email to the manufacturer, stating that I would prefer a different watch or full refund at this time. Very prompt and apologetic replies on a Sunday, telling me a few things to try to get the movement working once again, which Never happened. I was told my warranty would be extended for an additional 2 years, bringing it up to 3, and to send it back for service- repair time 8 weeks. Again, I paid for return shipping.

    On March 14 I emailed the company, stating that I really had enough, and that I wanted either a new replacement watch, or a full refund, preferably the refund. The reply came back that the watch was repaired, and would be sent out. A shipping label was created and number sent to me.

    On March 21, according to the USPS, the package associated with the shipping number sent to me still had not been received by them. I again emailed Ginault, stating that the watch obviously was not finished as they said, and demand a full refund and immediate refund. I also initiated a dispute with PayPay, who I had used for payment. There was no reply from the manufacturer. That day, the watch showed as shipped, delivery date of Saturday, March 23.

    A watch arrived this afternoon, in working order. I am assuming it is the one I sent in, going by a slight mark by the clasp on the band I know was there, but have noticed a slight scratch in the bezel I donít remember, but could have been present before I returned it. So far, functioning accurately. However, when the watch was returned to me, it came in a simple, plain cardboard box wrapped in bubble wrap. The original leather styled box, along with all of the original paperwork, included nylon band, screwdriver for adding/removing links, and links I had taken out to fit my wrist were not sent back. This is exactly how I shipped the watch the first time for repairs, and everything was returned to me as sent. I have requested that everything be returned to me, but again no reply from the manufacturer.

    The PayPal dispute was almost immediately denied, as the filing date was past the 180 day limit placed on disputes. I appealed this decision, stating that the watch had been in the manufacturers possession since December 12 (USPS tracking, signature required) 171 days after my purchase. The dispute is still open, and has yet to be responded to by Ginault.

    So now Iím left with what I feel is a lemon of a watch, from a manufacturer I really want nothing else to do with. I could sell, but in good conscience would need to disclose that it has been at the manufacturer for repairs 5 of the 8 months since I initially received it. Also, without the box and everything that came with it, Iíll be taking even a bigger hit.

    So Ginault in a nutshell. A super looking watch. Great when itís working. Customer service that starts off great, but goes downhill. Just my experience. As with anything, YMMV.
    I am sorry to hear that and can understand how frustrated you are. I hope, at this point, you get the refund.

    I had very good customer service from Ginault, but in the last months, had to write several e-mails before receiving any answer at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by DMiller View Post
    If/when it stops again, thatís exactly what I plan on doing. Still thatís something which should be totally unnecessary at this price point. Back in the day, Iíve had $25 Timex automatics give better service.
    That is what I am thinking of doing as well. Keep the Ginault and change the movement if necessary, since I am very pleased with the case, dial, bezel and bracelet.

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    Re: CLASSIC SUBMARINER LOVERS - GINAULT OCEAN-ROVER 181070GSLN

    Does anybody know where I can pick up a Pepsi bezel insert that will fit this bezel? Specifically colored like seiko does theirs with either a 15/45 or 20/40 color split and not gmt styled color split.

    Looking for something like this. (Not my pic)



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    Re: CLASSIC SUBMARINER LOVERS - GINAULT OCEAN-ROVER 181070GSLN

    Quote Originally Posted by DMiller View Post
    On June 24 of last year, after much time spent reading reviews and comments about Ginault watches, I decided to treat myself, take the plunge and order one of their Ocean Rover models, specifically a 180165C1LN. It was ordered and paid for with the understanding that it needed to me made, and would take several weeks to be assembled, calibrated and shipped. No problem, this was the watch I really wanted, they were offering 22% discount at that time, I liked the looks (Rolex Submariner homage) and felt it would be worth the wait. Paying it off over 6 months no interest through PayPay was a bonus as well.

    In late July, my watch shipped and after removing a few links from the band, was wearing a fine timepiece. Amazingly accurate for an automatic. According to the Toolwatch app, no more than +-2 seconds a day. Significantly better than any other automatic I have ever owned (Seikos, Hamilton, Egard, etc). The only watch I have ever owned that was anywhere close, was a Citizen EcoDrive. Plus it looked awesome. As I have stated- this is not my first automatic watch. It was never worn in any type of physical activity. Worn primarily on weekends, or for meetings. A dress watch. It never got wet, or had been abused in any way. Babied if anything. It was not stored on a winder, according to the manufacturers instructions, but left to wind down when not in use, and simply shake it a few times to get the movement started.

    On September 27, the watch stopped working. Totally dead. There was resistance manually winding it, and the time and date could be set. Shaking, a few winds on the stem, nothing would start the movement working. I shot an email off to the manufacture, explaining what happened, and asked what I should do. I received a very prompt and apologetic reply stating to send it back in and they would have a look at it. Repair time was listed at about 8 weeks. Return shipping was at my expense.

    On November 25, I inquired as to the status of my watch, and was told that repairs were on schedule and should be completed within a week.

    On December 6, the watch was back in my hands, again keeping amazingly accurate time. That is until December 9, when the movement completed stopped once again. Another email to the manufacturer, stating that I would prefer a different watch or full refund at this time. Very prompt and apologetic replies on a Sunday, telling me a few things to try to get the movement working once again, which Never happened. I was told my warranty would be extended for an additional 2 years, bringing it up to 3, and to send it back for service- repair time 8 weeks. Again, I paid for return shipping.

    On March 14 I emailed the company, stating that I really had enough, and that I wanted either a new replacement watch, or a full refund, preferably the refund. The reply came back that the watch was repaired, and would be sent out. A shipping label was created and number sent to me.

    On March 21, according to the USPS, the package associated with the shipping number sent to me still had not been received by them. I again emailed Ginault, stating that the watch obviously was not finished as they said, and demand a full refund and immediate refund. I also initiated a dispute with PayPay, who I had used for payment. There was no reply from the manufacturer. That day, the watch showed as shipped, delivery date of Saturday, March 23.

    A watch arrived this afternoon, in working order. I am assuming it is the one I sent in, going by a slight mark by the clasp on the band I know was there, but have noticed a slight scratch in the bezel I donít remember, but could have been present before I returned it. So far, functioning accurately. However, when the watch was returned to me, it came in a simple, plain cardboard box wrapped in bubble wrap. The original leather styled box, along with all of the original paperwork, included nylon band, screwdriver for adding/removing links, and links I had taken out to fit my wrist were not sent back. This is exactly how I shipped the watch the first time for repairs, and everything was returned to me as sent. I have requested that everything be returned to me, but again no reply from the manufacturer.

    The PayPal dispute was almost immediately denied, as the filing date was past the 180 day limit placed on disputes. I appealed this decision, stating that the watch had been in the manufacturers possession since December 12 (USPS tracking, signature required) 171 days after my purchase. The dispute is still open, and has yet to be responded to by Ginault.

    So now Iím left with what I feel is a lemon of a watch, from a manufacturer I really want nothing else to do with. I could sell, but in good conscience would need to disclose that it has been at the manufacturer for repairs 5 of the 8 months since I initially received it. Also, without the box and everything that came with it, Iíll be taking even a bigger hit.

    So Ginault in a nutshell. A super looking watch. Great when itís working. Customer service that starts off great, but goes downhill. Just my experience. As with anything, YMMV.
    Why did you send back the links and original box?

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    Re: CLASSIC SUBMARINER LOVERS - GINAULT OCEAN-ROVER 181070GSLN

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowlands View Post
    Why did you send back the links and original box?
    I figured that the original box would be the safest way to ship it. I just left everything in it so it would all be together. I did exactly the same thing the first time, but all was returned exactly as I sent it, so I thought everything would come back to me the second time as well.

    Still no reply as far as getting the box or anything else back.

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    Re: CLASSIC SUBMARINER LOVERS - GINAULT OCEAN-ROVER 181070GSLN

    Quote Originally Posted by DMiller View Post
    I figured that the original box would be the safest way to ship it. I just left everything in it so it would all be together. I did exactly the same thing the first time, but all was returned exactly as I sent it, so I thought everything would come back to me the second time as well.

    Still no reply as far as getting the box or anything else back.
    Keep on e-mailing them. The last time, I had to do it several times before getting an answer from them. In the end, they did and solved my issue.

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    Re: CLASSIC SUBMARINER LOVERS - GINAULT OCEAN-ROVER 181070GSLN

    Been a bit quiet in here lately so here's another mindless wristie.


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    Mine says hi!
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    New owner here, bought a pre-owned of a 2017 model for decent price. Very happy with it so far, fit and finishing is very very good.

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