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    New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    I saw this watch on Youtube where The Urban Gentry did a review of it. It's a ressurected French Dive Watch Brand that went defunct in the 1970s called Le Forban and their first model is called the Malouine, named after the inhabitants of St. Malo, a famous French town for corsairs:

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    They some things right on this:
    * Sapphire crystal
    * 39mm diameter with a 45mm lug to lug
    * Good hand set and dial

    Price is a little excessive at 490 euros.

    And they really screwed the pooch with the movement, which is a Miyota 8215. I wouldn't wish this noisy, uni-directional and non-hacking relic of a movement on my worst enemy.
    I've noticed that quite a few French microbrands use the 8215 and I wish they would stop it. How much extra is it to get a Miyota 90xx?
    Anyway, promising revival brand with some great design choices let down by high pricing for a sub-standard movement.
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    Well ...the brand... it's French. Any marques that sound too French commands a high price...
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    Re: New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    I saw this as well. The brand has apparently be relaunched by the same folks behind the Triton brand. An attractive, vintage-inspired watch let down by a bottom-of-the-barrel movement. This would have been a near slam dunk with a 9015.

    One nit I have is that the hands aren't quite proportioned right. The seconds hand is too short and I feel like the hour hand is a bit too short as well.
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    Re: New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    The 8215 is acceptable in less expensive options, but I agree the asking price is high considering you can get a 9015 at this price point.
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    Re: New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    I like it pretty well, I agree with the above post about the hands being a little on the short side though. I have a few pieces (Technos Acqua and Bulova Sea King) that I paid a crap ton for with the 8215, thing about them though is they run good and I never fear that one will poop out on me, I reckon since I can replace them for forty bucks doesn't hurt either...

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    Re: New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    Now that I look at the hand set:

    * The second hand should be longer to brush over the minute marks. The pip should also sit directly above that inner dial ring. I don't know why the minute hand is longer than the second hand.
    * The base of the arrow head on the minute hand should also line up with the inner ring.
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    Re: New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    Quote Originally Posted by Earthjade View Post
    And they really screwed the pooch with the movement, which is a Miyota 8215. I wouldn't wish this noisy, uni-directional and non-hacking relic of a movement on my worst enemy.
    I've noticed that quite a few French microbrands use the 8215 and I wish they would stop it. How much extra is it to get a Miyota 90xx?
    There are complaints to be had about the 8xxx series but a couple points

    “Noisy, unidirectional”
    - so is the 9015... it just winds in the opposite direction I think.

    “non-hacking”
    - if they are in fact using the newer versions of the 821A then it could have hacking, but otherwise yeah...

    https://calibercorner.com/miyota-caliber-821a/

    https://calibercorner.com/miyota-caliber-8215/

    Bigger complaints might be about the accuracy and indirect drive seconds hand... some people take issue with the slower VPH but I don’t have any issue with that.

    Ps.
    Ballpark individual movement pricing seems to be...?

    8215: $45-55
    9015: $85-120
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    Re: New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    TGV confirmed it was a non-hacking 8215 in his Youtube review.
    Also, that indirect drive system on the 8215 has some nightmarish vids online that show the seconds hand stop and stutter.
    I'd take a hit on the profit margin to add a Miyota 9000 series. Yes, it is similarly noisy but you get the hacking, better accuracy and a smoother sweep hand.
    In the worst case, a Seiko NH35 costs about $50 in a bulk purchase. If you're making a new brand with a new product, you should put your best foot forward and build some reputation and goodwill. Looks like they went straight into the cost-benefit analysis.
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    Re: New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    Good looking watch but too expensive by at least £100.
    Should have been more honest,dialled down the dress diver look & priced it at £300.
    Big NO from me,ymmv..
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    Re: New Dive Watch: Le Forban - Sécurité Mer - Malouine

    It is attractive, but for the same price in preorder the Direnzo DRZ02 gives Swiss Made, sapphire bezel, Sellita Elaborè and a fitted bracelet with screw links and a NATO in addition to a similar rubber strap. Of course one may still prefer this one on aesthetics (I don’t).


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