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    Re: ***What HAQ watch are you sporting today?***

    I like seeing wrist shots of HAQ's. HAQ to me is anything <= 10 SPY, self-contained, no GPS, no radio, no Bluetooth.

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    Mr. Moderator adjusted the current HAQ limit to <= 10 s/y not that long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronalddheld View Post
    Mr. Moderator adjusted the current HAQ limit to <= 10 s/y not that long ago.

    Obviously you mean <= 10 s/y by performance (applied technologies) not by promise (marketing slogans) as otherwise it makes no sense at all.
    This forum should know better. Current 32kHz thermocompensated (digitally by inhibition) movements perform very much alike regardless of manufacturers. Small but meaningful differences are the results of better/finer thermocompensation algorithm (hash table) and careful calibration out of the factory. This latter one is not an issue if the movement is equipped with a digital calibration terminal as it allows precise fine-tuning at any time for any environment (wearing habit, etc.).

    Here is an example of applied technologies vs marketing promises: in the year 2001 the COSC certified Breitling Aerospace featured a thermocompensated quartz movement (manufactured by ETA) with digital calibration terminal. Marketing-wise it was interpreted many ways:
    1) It is rated <= 25,5 s/y because of the COSC.
    2) It is rated <= 15 s/y because that is how Breitling marketed it.
    3) It is rated <= 10 s/y because that is how ETA marketed the movement (member of the ETA Thermoline family).
    So that is marketing for you! This forum should not pay much attention to that!
    What was the real performance of that Breitling Aerospace? Well, it was performing well within 4 seconds per year (mine was like less than 2 seconds). If one was lucky then that is how the watch was set out of the factory. Otherwise thanks to its digital calibration terminal it could be recalibrated even by the end-user to achieve the well within 4 seconds/year precision/accuracy. In that example the applied technologies were better than the marketing claims.
    We know very well that it can be the other way around as well like with the Pulsar (Seiko) PSR-10 or the Seiko 8F movements just to pick two when marketing claims were not backed by applied technologies. Applied technologies are the key and we can forget the marketing slogans because the marketing departments won't make any watch be more precise/accurate unlike the applied technologies!
    Not to mention the careful wordings of those marketing claims... One can't compare the The Citizen's accuracy specs to the Longines VHP's or the COSC's either because there is no set norms/standards so pay attention to the very careful wordings and realize that you are trying to compare apples to oranges...

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    Re: ***What HAQ watch are you sporting today?***

    Just bought a Certina C032.851.11.057.02.

    Great Value; chronometer and 200M water resistance.

    What is not to like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppaulusz View Post
    Obviously you mean <= 10 s/y by performance (applied technologies) not by promise (marketing slogans) as otherwise it makes no sense at all.
    This forum should know better. Current 32kHz thermocompensated (digitally by inhibition) movements perform very much alike regardless of manufacturers. Small but meaningful differences are the results of better/finer thermocompensation algorithm (hash table) and careful calibration out of the factory. This latter one is not an issue if the movement is equipped with a digital calibration terminal as it allows precise fine-tuning at any time for any environment (wearing habit, etc.).

    Here is an example of applied technologies vs marketing promises: in the year 2001 the COSC certified Breitling Aerospace featured a thermocompensated quartz movement (manufactured by ETA) with digital calibration terminal. Marketing-wise it was interpreted many ways:
    1) It is rated <= 25,5 s/y because of the COSC.
    2) It is rated <= 15 s/y because that is how Breitling marketed it.
    3) It is rated <= 10 s/y because that is how ETA marketed the movement (member of the ETA Thermoline family).
    So that is marketing for you! This forum should not pay much attention to that!
    What was the real performance of that Breitling Aerospace? Well, it was performing well within 4 seconds per year (mine was like less than 2 seconds). If one was lucky then that is how the watch was set out of the factory. Otherwise thanks to its digital calibration terminal it could be recalibrated even by the end-user to achieve the well within 4 seconds/year precision/accuracy. In that example the applied technologies were better than the marketing claims.
    We know very well that it can be the other way around as well like with the Pulsar (Seiko) PSR-10 or the Seiko 8F movements just to pick two when marketing claims were not backed by applied technologies. Applied technologies are the key and we can forget the marketing slogans because the marketing departments won't make any watch be more precise/accurate unlike the applied technologies!
    Not to mention the careful wordings of those marketing claims... One can't compare the The Citizen's accuracy specs to the Longines VHP's or the COSC's either because there is no set norms/standards so pay attention to the very careful wordings and realize that you are trying to compare apples to oranges...
    Yes by performance.

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    Longines VHP (admittedly photo from last month)

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    Re: ***What HAQ watch are you sporting today?***

    Quote Originally Posted by lawtaxi View Post
    Just bought a Certina C032.851.11.057.02.

    Great Value; chronometer and 200M water resistance.

    What is not to like?
    A perfect example of a current thermocompensated quartz watch from Switzerland so it is definitely HAQ thanks to the applied technologies!
    And a perfect example of bad marketing in view of the applied technologies but perfectly in-line with perception (the COSC mark on the dial).
    Some would sleep better with the thought that his watch is COSC certified and some would sleep better knowing that his watch is extremely accurate thanks to the applied technologies. Unfortunately, COSC has lost a great deal of its prestige as only Swiss-made watches can be considered for the certificate (you see, again: it's foremost marketing - otherwise non-Swiss-made movements would be also considered for the COSC certificate purely by merit of applied technologies)...

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    The Citizen Chronomaster AQ4020-03E

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    Bulova Moon Watch.
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    My 1989 Seiko Majesta 9533-5000 which I got a while back.

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