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    Just registered. Very excited about this.

    One observation on the indices. The current mock-up has a lot of numbers and batons, making it a little crowded. If there’s a way to simplify without sacrificing detail that may be worth considering.
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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle_Kraut View Post
    It might be a good Idea to close Threads when the Poll is done to avoid votes for already decided Choices?
    Done. The completed poll threads have been closed and late vote posts deleted.
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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    Quote Originally Posted by Peterc2018 View Post
    Just registered. Very excited about this.

    One observation on the indices. The current mock-up has a lot of numbers and batons, making it a little crowded. If there’s a way to simplify without sacrificing detail that may be worth considering.
    100% !
    I would humbly suggest to do away with the 24h scale. Kiss method of design: keep it simple, stoopid...

    1) the project originated as a compass watch, stick to it
    2) the 24h scale has zilch use, if it can’t be moved around; and I believe most people here know already that 10pm is 22 o’
    3) want a poor man’s GMT? There are plenty stock Vostok (Vostocks?) which do it already.

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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    I do not share: a GMT usage completes the compass use and makes it a multipurpose
    It's a shame to have a 24 hour hand and not to use it for the time
    Can we consider move the indexes on the moving part?
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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    A couple suggestions (two-bits...) re the revolving compass scale.

    1) The North (well, “C”) could be replaced by a large red triangle, as in many pilot or field watches. When not flying or deescalating summits (after crash-landing on a glacier), a visible index helps to cook the noodles! When you got four identical indexes, phat chance to get them al dente.

    2) Since we have these Cyrillic markings, it is a pity not to enhance the eastern B, which btw points to BOCTOK. At least with a distinct colour? Maybe the curled @-like logo one sees on some crowns?
    Or why not spell out Bосток with cap B ? Imho, no big deal if it means suppressing the 120° mark to avoid clutter!

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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    Quote Originally Posted by Palpatine View Post
    I do not share: a GMT usage completes the compass use and makes it a multipurpose
    It's a shame to have a 24 hour hand and not to use it for the time
    Can we consider move the indexes on the moving part?
    I'm wondering if the potential redundancy in numbers is not the 24-hour scale but the 12-hour scale. We're all used to looking at watches with batons for the latter; we're less used to reading a 24-hour scale. The Explorer II has blobs for the 12-hour indices, but uses numerals for the 24-hour.

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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    Quote Originally Posted by Palpatine View Post
    I do not share: a GMT usage completes the compass use and makes it a multipurpose
    It's a shame to have a 24 hour hand and not to use it for the time
    Can we consider move the indexes on the moving part?
    I'm wondering if the potential redundancy in numbers is not the 24-hour scale but the 12-hour scale. We're all used to looking at watches with batons for the latter; we're less used to reading a 24-hour scale. The Explorer II has blobs for the 12-hour indices, but uses numerals for the 24-hour.

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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    why not a double scale on the moving part with cardinal points and 24 hours and with a big triangle instead of north and 24
    Last edited by Palpatine; July 23rd, 2018 at 08:37.
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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    Quote Originally Posted by Peterc2018 View Post
    I'm wondering if the potential redundancy in numbers is not the 24-hour scale but the 12-hour scale. We're all used to looking at watches with batons for the latter; we're less used to reading a 24-hour scale. The Explorer II has blobs for the 12-hour indices, but uses numerals for the 24-hour.
    The problem remains the unadjustable 24h hand. Note the original Explo 2, also with a fixed 4th hand (i.e. directly linked to the hour hand) and fixed bezel was little more than a day/night indicator.
    So, with the Vostok mechanism, either you put the 24h scale on the bezel, or you forget it.
    Maybe one could use hour ticks on the bezel, with only the even numbers 2,4 and 8,10 etc. where we see for now the 30, 60 and 120, 150.
    I would like keeping the СВ, ЮВ, ЮЗ, СЗ, though — cyrillic kills :)

    As for the presence of 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. numbers on the main dial, remember the project originated as a Seiko Alpinist avatar, so keeping its numbers pattern is a deserved homage.
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    Re: General Discussion Thread for the 2018 Russian forum project

    Quote Originally Posted by PanKorop View Post
    The problem remains the unadjustable 24h hand. Note the original Explo 2, also with a fixed 4th hand (i.e. directly linked to the hour hand) and fixed bezel was little more than a day/night indicator.
    So, with the Vostok mechanism, either you put the 24h scale on the bezel, or you forget it.
    Maybe one could use hour ticks on the bezel, with only the even numbers 2,4 and 8,10 etc. where we see for now the 30, 60 and 120, 150.
    I would like keeping the СВ, ЮВ, ЮЗ, СЗ, though — cyrillic kills :)

    As for the presence of 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. numbers on the main dial, remember the project originated as a Seiko Alpinist avatar, so keeping its numbers pattern is a deserved homage.
    Hmmm. Good point. The unadjustable 24-hour hand is the issue.

    Agree that the more Cyrillic we have the better

    The numerals were an integral part of the most recent incarnation of the Alpinist, but so was the green face and the segmented hands, so we've already moved a bit away from its design language. There were preceding versions of the Alpinist with no numerals at all, for instance this rather impressive example, which was the first of its name:
    https://wornandwound.com/affordable-...pion-alpinist/
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