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    Project Information and FAQ

    About: The tallest mountain in Russia, and all of Europe, is the dual-peaked wonder of Mount Elbrus (Эльбру́с). Despite mountaineering being a popular sport in the Soviet Union, it surprises me that a mountaineering watch never manifested from the numerous watch factories that existed in the Union alongside the countless dive watches and even a few polar expedition watches. Thus, I thought this would make an excellent subject for a new Russian watch. Going further I have proposed a few design details that hearken back to Soviet wrist compasses and expedition watches to keep the project historically spirited to the pleasure of our collectors and enthusiasts.

    Second, I will assert that one of the most popular watches in the past decade is the Seiko Alpinist SARB017, which has just been discontinued this year and to the surprise of many was not revitalized at this year's Baselworld. This presents a unique opportunity to approach those who were not able to purchase one of those models in time as the remaining stock dwindles, as well as appeal to the many over the past decade who were enamored by the Alpinist's unique design. We do not need to create a straight copy or homage of the existing watch, but it sets an undeniable basis to utilize on our own mountaineering model.

    Next, one such feature on the Alpinist and other field watch models is the ability to use the watch as a compass when combined with the position of the Sun. Not only will our watch also have this feature, it will embrace the capability to its fullest extent unlike most other watches out there. While not comparable to a GPS like a Suunto, this solar method may be preferred over more precise magnetic compasses or A.B.C. quartz watches due to its immunity to magnetic deviation, caused by mountains and other interference, as well as omnipresent magnetic declination, thus making Elbrus an excellent companion for casual hikers and mountain climbers alike.

    From these sectors I wish to bring our enormous community together; whether you are a seasoned Soviet and Russian horology aficionado or merely a WIS trying to scratch that latest itch and have never experienced a Russian watch before I hope you will join us in this process!

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    The watch: This watch will based on the existing Vostok Komandirskie K-34 which, unlike more common Vostok models frequently discussed, features a 42mm stainless steel case, dual crown system with internal rotating bezel, mineral crystal, 100m water resistance, and an automatic 2426 Vostok movement with 24 hour solar compass hand. All design details have been finalized by collective vote of project participants, and unless any details pose a challenge to manufacture, they will not change.

    Number of units: Initially planned as a release of 200-300 watches, we will now attempt to manufacture 144 watches to celebrate the 144th anniversary of the summiting of Mt. Elbrus in 1874. Members in excess of this amount will be placed on a waiting list until a position is available.

    Price: Due to the smaller number of units being produced the price will exceed $200. A final estimate is not yet known. Payment will be made only once the watches are available to order.

    Time of delivery: Initially estimated within the first half of 2019, I would not expect delivery until the summer of 2019 or later. I will not ignore the fact that previous projects have taken several years. Nevertheless the scope of this project is much narrower by utilizing an existing watch as a base, the design has been finalized, and we will do everything possible henceforth on our end to shorten the time needed for this project to come to fruition.

    Production: This project will be conducted in conjunction with Dmitry of Meranom.com and the Chistopol Watch Factory, better known as Vostok, who have each dutifully manufactured several projects in the past for our forum and other communities.

    Management:
    Arizone


    Registration:
    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...GM9HQ/viewform


    Member List:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing



    1. GENERAL RULES

    1.1
    First and foremost, all WUS rules apply to and supersede those created for this sub-forum; if you have not read them yet please do so now!
    1.2 Only registered project participants may post in this sub-forum.
    1.3 For the sake of organization and continuity, participants may not create new threads in this sub-forum. Please use the most appropriate thread when creating a post, or the GENERAL DISCUSSION thread for comments that do not directly relate to the subject of an existing thread.
    1.4 Unauthorized threads, or posts created by those not registered in the project, will be deleted without further explanation.
    1.5 Project managers have the right to exclude anyone from the project who is not following rules, causing disputes, is behaving in an otherwise counterproductive manner or has failed to fulfill their commitment to a previous project on WUS. At all times, as per WUS Forum rules, project participants should remain respectful of each other and the decisions being made.

    2. PROJECT PARAMETERS

    2.1 This project will only commence once there are enough registered participants.
    2.2 Members may purchase more than one watch – only one vote will be allowed per participant regardless of how many watches they have registered to purchase.
    2.3 Project managers may, if it is deemed to be for the good of the project, alter the project’s structure. These changes are limited to the timetable of the design and voting process, and not to the voting system itself. This rule provides project managers the flexibility needed to keep the project running smoothly and resolve unforeseen problems and unexpected delays.
    2.4 Until a project participant has paid for and ordered their watch it will remain the property of the project and can be reassigned by the project managers to another participant. The purpose of this rule is to weed out those who are not faithfully committed to the project, or to be used in conjunction with violating the other rules.
    2.5 Once the project has concluded and your watch or watches has completed production, a time limit for the full payment will have to be respected. Those who do not pay for their watch within this time limit may forfeit the watch. Please do not commit to the project if you can not afford to pay for your watch at the time of delivery!

    3. VOTING

    3.1 Every design phase of this project will be decided by a discussion and vote of registered participants. Only those who have registered to be a part of the project can vote.
    3.2 The single transferable vote (STV) system will be used to conduct all votes.
    3.3 Only in the event of a dispute will a vote be arbitrated by the project managers, who if required, will make a decision in the interest of allowing the project to continue moving forward.
    A design element that wins the majority of the votes (>51%) will be considered as having been accepted upon the completion of a vote. No arguments or discussions against the winning vote will be allowed.



    How to read the watch as a solar compass:

    Northern Hemisphere:
    Method A:
    1. Set the watch to your local time such that the North (red) end of the compass hand points to 12 o'clock on the dial at 00:00 (Midnight), and 6 o'clock on the dial at 12:00 (Noon).
    2. Set the bezel so that the North indicator sits above 12 o'clock on the dial and the South indicator below 6 o'clock on the dial.
    3. Adjust the bezel clockwise or counter-clockwise, using the 24 hour markings, to account for daylight saving time (one hour clockwise) and changes to Solar Noon at your location.
    4. Keeping the watch level, point the South (blue) end of the compass hand toward the direction of the Sun.
    5. The bezel will now indicate the best estimate for each direction.

    Method B:
    1. Set the watch to your local time such that the North (red) end of the compass hand points to 12 o'clock on the dial at 00:00 (Midnight), and 6 o'clock on the dial at 12:00 (Noon).
    2. Keeping the watch level, point the 12 hour hand toward the direction of the Sun.
    3. The compass hand will now indicate the approximate North (red) and South (blue) directions.
    4. Set the bezel so that the North and South markings line up with the North and South ends of the compass hand.
    5. Adjust the bezel clockwise or counter-clockwise, using the 24 hour markings, to account for daylight saving time (one hour clockwise) and changes to Solar Noon at your location.
    6. The bezel will now indicate the best estimate for each direction.


    Southern Hemisphere:

    1. Set the watch to your local time such that the South (blue) end of the compass hand points to 12 o'clock on the dial at 00:00 (Midnight), and 6 o'clock on the dial at 12:00 (Noon).
    2. Keeping the watch level, point 12 o'clock on the dial toward the direction of the Sun.
    3. The compass hand will now indicate the approximate North (red) and South (blue) directions.
    4. Set the bezel so that the North and South markings line up with the North and South ends of the compass hand.
    5. Adjust the bezel clockwise or counter-clockwise, using the 24 hour markings, to account for daylight saving time (one hour counter-clockwise) and changes to Solar Noon at your location.
    6. The bezel will now indicate the best estimate for each direction.




    Prior Discussion:
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/we...a-4639141.html
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/pr...k-4684939.html
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/pr...t-4693091.html
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/pr...s-4703081.html
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    Re: Project Information and FAQ

    As the estimated price of Elbrus was set to exceed $340 we have made the unfortunate decision to cancel this project. Thank you everyone for participating!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arizone View Post
    Thank you those who have spoken. There seems to be a roughly 1 in 4 chance of individuals remaining interested, which expanding that out would only leave us with about 40 people. With the large ambitions of this project, and the unknowns that have now been made clear, it simply wasn't meant to be, at least not in this form. I have let Dmitry know that we will not be able to continue. Should the desire ever arise again, the designs are still available.

    Thank you again Chascomm for keeping an eye on us, and everyone else for participating. I of course have learned a lot more that I hope will be of good use in the future.

    While some of us may be recovering from RE's Baikal, or are looking forward to Watch.ru's Sadko, we can continue potential home turf project discussion on the main subforum. Keep in mind, given Dmitry's current estimate and depending how quickly we work out new ideas, we could attempt delivery early next year for the big twenty-twenty.
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